Meng Da 孟達

RecordsRomance Shu Courtesy name 子度 Zidu맹달자도孟达

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OccupationRNGeneral · Administrator of XinchengFactionShu
AppearsRNBiography inBook of Shu
BornR? UnverifiedNative placeYoufufeng Commandery
DiedR228 UnverifiedPlace of deathRNXincheng Commandery
Cause of deathRExecuted NKilled in battle Unverified
ExistenceHistoricalMentionsR29

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Meng Da, courtesy name Zidu, was a native of Fufeng. Early in the Jian'an era he entered Shu together with Fa Zheng of the same commandery and placed himself under Liu Zhang; as Fa Zheng's deputy he welcomed Liu Bei, then stayed on under him and became Administrator of Yidu. Records, Shu 7 §14Records, Shu 10 §3 · 17

In the 24th year of Jian'an (219) he attacked Fangling and, together with Liu Feng, took Shangyong, but he did not answer Guan Yu's call for help, and after quarrelling with Liu Feng he led his followers to surrender to Wei and became Administrator of Xincheng. In the 12th month of the 1st year of Taihe (early 228 CE) he rebelled against Wei, and in the 1st month of the following year he was beheaded by Sima Yi. Records, Shu 10 §3–5Records, Wei 3 §6–7

The Records has no separate biography of him; his deeds appear mainly in Liu Feng's biography, and the assessment of that volume (10) does not deal with him. Liu Ye said he was not a man who could be moved by kindness or hold to righteousness, and Fei Shi called him 'a man who turns this way and that.' In the Romance he first appears in Chapter 60, when Zhang Song mentions his name to Liu Bei, and he appears in 15 of its 120 chapters; his name is in the title of Chapter 94, 'Sima Yi Seizes Meng Da on a Set Date.' Records, Shu 10 §16–17 · 74Records, Wei 14 §97Records, Shu 11 §45Romance, Ch. 60 §34Romance, Ch. 94 §50

In the Records

Meng Da was a native of Fufeng. His original courtesy name was Zijing, but he changed it to Zidu to avoid 'Jing,' the name of the First Sovereign's uncle. Early in the Jian'an era, when famine struck the realm, he entered Shu together with Fa Zheng of the same commandery and placed himself under Liu Zhang. Records, Shu 10 §3 · 17Records, Shu 7 §14

After Cao Cao's army fared badly at Chibi, Liu Zhang accepted Zhang Song's advice and sent Fa Zheng to establish friendly relations with the First Sovereign, and then had Fa Zheng and Meng Da take several thousand soldiers to help the First Sovereign in his defense. According to Liu Feng's biography, Meng Da, as Fa Zheng's deputy, welcomed the First Sovereign with Fa Zheng, each leading 2,000 soldiers, and the First Sovereign took this opportunity to have Meng Da lead both contingents and left him stationed at Jiangling. After Shu was pacified, Meng Da became Administrator of Yidu. Records, Shu 1 §15Records, Shu 10 §3

In the 24th year of Jian'an (219), on orders, Meng Da attacked Fangling northward from Zigui, and Kuai Qi, Administrator of Fangling, was killed by Meng Da's soldiers. When Meng Da was about to advance on Shangyong, the First Sovereign, privately worried that Meng Da might find it hard to handle the task alone, sent his adopted son Liu Feng down the Mian River from Hanzhong to take command of Meng Da's army. Shen Dan, Administrator of Shangyong, surrendered with his followers. Records, Shu 10 §2–4Records, Shu 2 §39

After Guan Yu laid siege to Fancheng and Xiangyang, he repeatedly called on Liu Feng and Meng Da to send troops to help him, but the two declined, saying that the mountain commanderies had only just submitted and could not be unsettled, and they did not carry out Guan Yu's orders. When Guan Yu was defeated and destroyed, the First Sovereign resented them. Liu Feng had also quarrelled angrily with Meng Da and was on bad terms with him, and before long Liu Feng took away Meng Da's drum-and-wind band. Fearing punishment and furious with Liu Feng, Meng Da submitted a memorial taking leave of the First Sovereign and led the men under his command to surrender to Wei. The Annals of Emperor Wen in the Records of Wei date this surrender to the 1st year of Yankang (220). Xi Yi, the commander (dudu) under Meng Da, also followed him in surrendering to Wei. Records, Shu 10 §4–5Records, Wei 2 §10Records, Shu 12 §81

Emperor Wen of Wei thought highly of Meng Da's qualities, talent and bearing; he made him Cavalier Attendant-in-Ordinary (sanqi changshi) and General Who Establishes Martial Might (jianwu jiangjun), enfeoffed him as Marquis of Pingyang Precinct, combined the three commanderies of Fangling, Shangyong and Xicheng into Xincheng Commandery, and put Meng Da in charge as Administrator of Xincheng. Liu Ye said that Meng Da had a heart set on gain by any means and relied on his talent and loved intrigue, so he would never be moved by kindness or hold to righteousness, and that Xincheng bordered Wu and Shu, so that if anything went wrong it would become a source of trouble for the state. Emperor Wen in the end did not change his decision. Records, Shu 10 §5Records, Wei 14 §97

Wei sent Xiahou Shang, General Who Conquers the South, and Xu Huang, General of the Right, to attack Liu Feng together with Meng Da. Meng Da wrote to Liu Feng saying that he and the King of Hanzhong were no more than strangers met on the road, that since A Dou had been made Crown Prince men of discernment had felt chilled on his behalf, and urging him to come east and become heir to the Marquis of Luo. Liu Feng did not follow this. When Shen Yi turned against Liu Feng, Liu Feng was defeated and returned to Chengdu, and the First Sovereign, rebuking him for having encroached on and slighted Meng Da and for failing to rescue Guan Yu, had him take his own life. Liu Feng sighed, 'I regret not following the words of Meng Zidu!' Records, Shu 10 §6 · 8 · 11 · 14–15

Li Yan of Shu wrote to Meng Da, 'Kongming and I together received the charge of the late sovereign's affairs; my worries are deep and my responsibility heavy, and I long to find a good companion,' and Zhuge Liang, in a letter to Meng Da as well, praised Li Yan's character. In the 3rd year of Jianxing (225), on his way back from the south, Zhuge Liang met Li Hong, who had come over in surrender at Hanyang County. Li Hong reported that Wang Chong (王沖), who had come from the south, had told Meng Da that Zhuge Liang had wanted to kill Meng Da's wife and children but the First Sovereign had not allowed it, whereas Meng Da, saying that Zhuge Liang treated him consistently from beginning to end, did not believe a word of it. Records, Shu 10 §44Records, Shu 11 §44–45

Fei Shi said, 'A petty man like Meng Da was disloyal when he served the General Who Spreads Awe (Liu Zhang) in the past, and later betrayed the First Sovereign as well; why write a letter to a man who turns this way and that?' But Zhuge Liang, wishing to lure Meng Da into becoming an outside ally, sent him a letter. In it Zhuge Liang said that what had happened before was truly a matter of Liu Feng's slighting Meng Da and so harming the righteousness with which the First Sovereign treated his men. On receiving the letter, Meng Da corresponded several times and hinted at his intention to turn against Wei. The table of contents of the Collected Works of Zhuge Liang also includes a piece titled 'Letter to Meng Da.' Records, Shu 11 §45–46Records, Shu 5 §44

In the 12th month of the 1st year of Taihe (early 228 CE), when Meng Da, Administrator of Xincheng, rebelled, Emperor Ming issued an edict ordering Sima Yi, General of Agile Cavalry, to suppress him. In the spring, 1st month, of the 2nd year of Taihe (228), Sima Yi attacked and broke Xincheng, beheaded Meng Da, and sent his head on to the capital. Because Zhuge Liang considered that Meng Da had no sincere intention, he did not come to his aid. Wei split off Shangyong, Wuling and Wu County from Xincheng Commandery to form Shangyong Commandery, and made Xi County into Xi Commandery. Later, in the edict appointing Sima Yi Grand Tutor, the Wei court counted 'capturing Meng Da in the south' among his achievements. Records, Wei 3 §6–7Records, Shu 11 §46–47Records, Wei 4 §5

In his assessment of this volume, Chen Shou said only that Liu Feng, though in a position open to suspicion, made insufficient provision to protect himself; he did not assess Meng Da. Records, Shu 10 §74

In the Romance

In Chapter 60 of the Romance, Zhang Song presents Liu Bei with a map and names Fa Zheng and Meng Da as his trusted friends. Meng Da has the courtesy name Ziqing (子慶) and comes from the same district as Fa Zheng. Seeing Fa Zheng and Zhang Song talking in secret, he guesses their intention to hand over Yi Province and says the man to give it to must be 'none other than Liu Xuande,' at which the three clap their hands and laugh. That winter he leads 5,000 troops to welcome Liu Bei. Romance, Ch. 60 §34 · 37 · 54

In Chapter 62, when Pang Tong tells him to guard Jiameng Pass because he is a man of Shu, Meng Da recommends Huo Jun and holds the pass together with him. In Chapter 70, unlike Huo Jun, he goes down from the pass to face Zhang He and is badly defeated. In Chapter 71 he burns Cao Cao's provisions together with Liu Feng, and in Chapter 73 he attacks Shangyong and the other commanderies with Liu Feng, Wang Ping and others and receives the surrender of Shen Dan and others. Romance, Ch. 62 §51–52Romance, Ch. 70 §23Romance, Ch. 71 §47Romance, Ch. 73 §3

In Chapter 76, when Liao Hua begs for help for Guan Yu, trapped in Maicheng, Meng Da dissuades Liu Feng by pointing to the strong troops of Eastern Wu and Cao Cao's great army. Lord Guan, he says, does not regard Liu Feng as his nephew, and when the succession was being decided he advised the King of Hanzhong to keep Liu Feng far away in the mountain city of Shangyong. Meng Da gives Liu Feng the excuse that the mountain cities have only just submitted, and tells Liao Hua, 'How can a single cup of water put out the fire of a whole cartload of firewood?' Romance, Ch. 76 §36–41

In Chapter 79, Liao Hua asks for Liu Feng and Meng Da to be executed. Peng Yang, who is close to Meng Da, sends a messenger to warn him, but the messenger is caught by Ma Chao; and when Peng Yang, in front of Ma Chao, proposes joining hands with Meng Da to rise inside and outside together, he is put to death in prison. Alarmed, Meng Da consults the brothers Shen Dan and Shen Yi, writes a memorial of farewell following Shen Dan's plan, and that night goes over to Wei with some fifty horsemen. Cao Pi makes him Administrator of Xincheng. When Liu Feng tears up the letter Meng Da sent urging him to surrender and beheads the envoy, Meng Da comes out to face him and flees before three bouts are over; Liu Feng, pursuing him for more than 20 li, is caught between the ambush of Xiahou Shang and Xu Huang and Meng Da, who turns back to fight, and is badly defeated. Romance, Ch. 79 §21–26 · 32–35

In Chapter 85, when Wei attacks Western Sichuan along five routes, 'the turncoat general Meng Da' forms the second route, invading Hanzhong with 100,000 troops from Shangyong. Zhuge Liang sends him a letter made to look as though written in the hand of Li Yan, who has sworn a friendship of life and death with Meng Da, and in Chapter 86 Meng Da's army is halfway along the road when Meng Da suddenly falls ill and cannot advance. Romance, Ch. 85 §35 · 44Romance, Ch. 86 §4

In Chapter 94, Li Yan's son Li Feng brings Zhuge Liang a letter saying that Meng Da intends to turn against Wei. When Zhuge Liang writes warning him to beware of Sima Yi, Meng Da laughs and replies that it would take Sima Yi a month to report to the emperor and get an answer. Zhuge Liang throws the reply to the ground and says that Meng Da will die at Sima Yi's hands. When a member of Shen Yi's household, together with Meng Da's confidant Li Fu and his nephew Deng Xian, inform against him, Sima Yi hurries over, covering two days' march in one. Romance, Ch. 94 §28–29 · 33–36 · 39 · 41

Meng Da shoots Xu Huang, who has reached the foot of the walls, in the forehead with an arrow, and Xu Huang dies that night, but Sima Yi's troops surround the city. Taking Shen Dan and Shen Yi for a relief army, Meng Da opens the gates and goes out, but he cannot get back because Li Fu and Deng Xian have surrendered the city; he is run through by Shen Dan's spear and beheaded. Cao Rui has his head displayed to the crowds in the marketplace of Luoyang. Romance, Ch. 94 §47–51

Where the Romance differs

Courtesy name: In Chapter 60 of the Romance, Meng Da's courtesy name is given as Ziqing (子慶). In the Records, his original courtesy name was Zijing (子敬), which he changed to Zidu to avoid the name of the First Sovereign's uncle. Romance, Ch. 60 §37Records, Shu 10 §17

The troops that welcomed Liu Bei: In Chapter 60 of the Romance, Meng Da leads 5,000 troops to welcome Liu Bei. In the Records, Liu Feng's biography says that Fa Zheng and Meng Da each led 2,000 soldiers, and the biographies of the two Liu governors record that several thousand soldiers were sent with the two men. Romance, Ch. 60 §54Records, Shu 10 §3Records, Shu 1 §15

Jiameng Pass: In Chapters 62 and 70 of the Romance, Meng Da guards Jiameng Pass with Huo Jun and is defeated by Zhang He. In the Records, Meng Da remained stationed at Jiangling; in Huo Jun's biography, the one who held the city of Jiameng was Huo Jun, and Meng Da does not appear. Romance, Ch. 62 §52Romance, Ch. 70 §23Records, Shu 10 §3Records, Shu 11 §1–4

Refusing to rescue Guan Yu: In Chapter 76 of the Romance, Meng Da talks Liu Feng out of it, saying that Lord Guan does not regard Liu Feng as his nephew. In the Records, Liu Feng and Meng Da declined together, saying that the mountain commanderies had only just submitted, and there is no word of Meng Da dissuading Liu Feng. Romance, Ch. 76 §39–40Records, Shu 10 §4

Why he surrendered to Wei: In Chapter 79 of the Romance, Meng Da, alarmed when Peng Yang's affair comes to light, surrenders to Wei following Shen Dan's plan. In the Records, after quarrelling with Liu Feng and having his drum-and-wind band taken away, he surrendered out of fear of punishment and anger at Liu Feng. In Peng Yang's biography in the Records, Meng Da does not appear in Peng Yang's proposal to Ma Chao to rise together inside and outside. Romance, Ch. 79 §22–26Records, Shu 10 §5 · 24

The fight with Liu Feng: In Chapter 79 of the Romance, Meng Da clashes with Liu Feng and then crushes him in a pincer attack with the ambushing troops, and Shen Dan calls out his surrender from the walls of Shangyong. In the Records, Meng Da attacked Liu Feng together with Xiahou Shang and Xu Huang and sent a letter urging him to surrender, and Liu Feng was defeated and fled when Shen Yi turned against him. There is no scene of the two fighting each other. Romance, Ch. 79 §34–35Records, Shu 10 §6 · 14–15

Liu Feng's last words: In Chapter 79 of the Romance, Liu Feng says he failed to rescue Lord Guan because Meng Da held him back. In the Records, before his death Liu Feng sighs, 'I regret not following the words of Meng Zidu.' Romance, Ch. 79 §37Records, Shu 10 §15

The five-route army and Li Yan's letter: In Chapters 85–86 of the Romance, Meng Da becomes one of Wei's five routes of attack, then halts on the pretext of illness because of the letter Zhuge Liang forged in Li Yan's hand. In the Records, Li Yan did actually write to Meng Da, but there is no record in the Records of Meng Da setting out to attack Shu. Romance, Ch. 85 §35 · 44Romance, Ch. 86 §4Records, Shu 10 §44 · 3–17Records, Shu 11 §44–47

How the rebellion came about: In Chapter 94 of the Romance, Meng Da first conveys his intention to Zhuge Liang through Li Feng, and Zhuge Liang writes warning him to beware of Sima Yi. In Fei Shi's biography in the Records, Zhuge Liang, after hearing Li Hong's account, was the first to write, seeking to lure Meng Da into becoming an outside ally, and did not come to his aid because he considered that Meng Da had no sincere intention. Romance, Ch. 94 §28–29 · 33Records, Shu 11 §45–47

Death: In Chapter 94 of the Romance, Meng Da is run through by Shen Dan's spear after Li Fu and Deng Xian surrender the city. In the Records, Sima Yi attacked and broke Xincheng and beheaded Meng Da, and there is no word of his being killed by Shen Dan. Romance, Ch. 94 §50Records, Wei 3 §7Records, Shu 11 §46

Xu Huang's death: In Chapter 94 of the Romance, Xu Huang is struck in the forehead by Meng Da's arrow and dies that night. In Xu Huang's biography in the Records, after Emperor Ming took the throne Xu Huang held off Zhuge Jin at Xiangyang; when his illness became critical he left instructions to be shrouded in everyday clothes, and he died in the 1st year of Taihe (227). Romance, Ch. 94 §47–48Records, Wei 17 §69–70

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Abilities

The Records score (Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms, main text) is the baseline. Each ability compares how the Romance redrew the same person, and the evidence from both sources explains the difference.

LEASTRINTPOLCHAVIRADPSCHDIPDIS
Records (solid) vs Romance (dashed)
  • LEA5848−10
  • STR4560+15
  • INT5528−27
  • POL4540−5
  • CHA5850−8
  • VIR1212±0
  • ADP3835−3
  • SCH5545−10
  • DIP6550−15
  • DIS4055+15
Records · Romance scores and difference (Romance − Records · left = lowered by the Romance · right = raised)

Abilities shaped by the Romance — where it differs from the Records Differences of 10 or more

IntelligenceR55N28 −27

RWas judged to rely on his talent and love intrigueWei 14 §97

NLaughed off Kongming's warning as overcaution, and failed to keep his plans tightCh. 94 §34Ch. 95 §7

StrengthR45UnverifiedN60 +15

RNo direct record — estimated from leading troops as a deputy commanderShu 10 §3

NShot from the walls and struck Xu Huang in the forehead, killing himCh. 94 §47Ch. 94 §48

DiscernmentR40UnverifiedN55 +15

RNo direct record — estimated from his record as a deputy commanderShu 10 §3

NRecommended Huo Jun and had him guard Jiameng Pass together with himCh. 62 §52

ScholarshipR55N45 −10

RDrew widely on ancient precedents in his letter to Liu FengShu 10 §6Shu 10 §7

NComposed a memorial taking leave of the King of HanzhongCh. 79 §27

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  • PoliticsR45UnverifiedN40Unverified −5

    RNo direct record — estimated from his posts as Administrator of Yidu and XinchengShu 10 §5

    NNo direct record — estimated from his record as Administrator of XinchengCh. 94 §29

  • CharismaR58N50 −8

    REmperor Wen admired his qualities, talent and bearing and valued him greatlyShu 10 §5Wei 14 §97

    NCao Pi prized his talent, gave him fine horses and gold, and rode in the same carriage with himCh. 94 §29

  • VirtueR12N12 ±0

    RDisobeyed Guan Yu's orders, abandoned Liu Zhang and the First Sovereign, and betrayed Wei in turnShu 10 §4Shu 11 §45Wei 14 §97

    NHeld Liu Feng back from rescuing Guan Yu, and went over to Wei after submitting a memorialCh. 76 §39Ch. 76 §40Ch. 79 §27

  • AdaptabilityR38N35 −3

    RSurrendered to Wei for fear of punishment, but was destroyed when he tried to rebel againShu 10 §5Shu 11 §46

    NWent over to Wei after Peng Yang's death, but his second betrayal collapsed because of insidersCh. 79 §25Ch. 79 §26Ch. 94 §50

Special — talents Records +0 · Romance +10

  • Archery

    NSkilled +10 Struck Xu Huang in the forehead with an arrow shot from the walls, and he died that nightCh. 94 §47Ch. 94 §48

Records Romance Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)

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Romance chapters (15)

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Allegiance history Changed allegiance 2 times

  1. Liu Zhang faction (196~211) Served · Records · Records vol. 37 「建安初,天下饑荒,正與同郡孟達俱入蜀依劉璋,久之為新都令,後召署軍議校尉。」
  2. Shu (211~220) Defected · Records · Records vol. 35 「建安十六年,益州牧劉璋遣法正迎先主,使擊張魯。」
  3. Wei (220~228) Surrendered · Records · Records vol. 14(裴注) 「其後孟達去劉備歸文帝,論者多稱有樂毅之量。」

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