RAt a banquet drew the sword he wore and killed Zheng Bao himselfWei 14 §86
NNo direct record — estimated from his conduct as an adviserCh. 12 §38
| Occupation | RNStrategist · Palace Attendant | Faction | Wei |
|---|---|---|---|
| Appears | RN | Biography in | Book of Wei |
| Born | Native place | Jiujiang Commandery Chengde County | |
| Existence | Historical | Mentions | R40 |
Liu Ye, courtesy name Ziyang, was a man of Chengde in Huainan and a descendant of Liu Yan, Prince of Fuling, a son of Emperor Guangwu of Han. In his youth he killed Zheng Bao, a leader of a band in Yang Province, and handed Zheng Bao's retainers over to Liu Xun; after Liu Xun's fall he joined Cao Cao and became Granary Officer to the Minister of Works (sikong cangcao yuan). Records, Wei 14 §83 · 86–87 · 90–93
He served three generations, Cao Cao, Cao Pi and Cao Rui, rising to Palace Attendant (shizhong), and he foresaw that Liu Bei would attack Wu to avenge Guan Yu and that Sun Quan would not come out in person. Under Emperor Ming he became Marquis of Dongting; in the 6th year of Taihe (232) he was made Grand Palace Grandee because of illness, and he died after serving as Grand Herald. His posthumous title was Marquis Jing. Records, Wei 14 §98–99 · 101–103 · 109
In his assessment Chen Shou, author of the Records, called him, together with Cheng Yu, Guo Jia, Dong Zhao and Jiang Ji, a remarkable gentleman of his age in talent and strategy. In the Romance he first appears in Chapter 12 as Cao Cao's adviser during the attack on Puyang and features in 13 of its 120 chapters; no chapter title bears his name. Records, Wei 14 §158Romance, Ch. 12 §4
His father was Liu Pu, and his mother, Lady Xiu, bore Liu Huan and Liu Ye. When Liu Ye was seven, his mother, on her deathbed, warned that Liu Pu's concubine, flattering and malicious, would bring disorder to the household, and asked her sons to get rid of her when they grew up. At thirteen Liu Ye went into the room, killed the concubine and went straight out to bow at his mother's grave; returning to the angry Liu Pu, he said he would accept punishment for acting on his own. Liu Pu inwardly marveled at him and did not rebuke him. Xu Shao of Runan, famed for his judgment of men, said that Liu Ye had the talent to aid the age. Records, Wei 14 §83–84
In Yang Province there were bands such as those of Zheng Bao, Zhang Duo and Xu Qian, each commanding retainers, and Zheng Bao, the fiercest of them, planned to drive the people across to the south of the Yangtze and wished to put Liu Ye, a man of eminent family, at the head of the scheme. Liu Ye, then in his twenties, happened to learn that an envoy of Taizu had come to the province, invited him to stay at his home, and held a banquet when Zheng Bao came to call on the envoy with oxen and wine. When the strong men he had told to cut Zheng Bao down as the cups went round could not act under Zheng Bao's watchful eye, Liu Ye drew his own sword, killed Zheng Bao, and quelled his followers by declaring, 'There is an order from Lord Cao.' He then went to Zheng Bao's camp and won over the leaders by persuasion, and they all acknowledged him as their master. But saying that, as a collateral member of the Han imperial house, he did not wish to command troops, Liu Ye handed the retainers over to Liu Xun, Administrator of Lujiang. Records, Wei 14 §85–87
When Sun Ce, with humble words and rich gifts, asked Liu Xun to attack Shangliao, Liu Xun was delighted and everyone within and without congratulated him, but Liu Ye alone objected that Shangliao's walls were strong and it could not be taken within ten days, and that Sun Ce would meanwhile strike where Liu Xun had left himself empty. Liu Xun did not listen and attacked Shangliao, was taken in the rear by Sun Ce, and fled to Taizu. Records, Wei 14 §88–90
When Taizu reached Shouchun, the mountain bandit Chen Ce was holding a strong position on the border of Lujiang with tens of thousands of men. Everyone said he would be hard to attack and not worth taking, but Liu Ye said that Chen Ce and his men were merely a band gathered in the chaos, and that if rewards were offered first and a great army then bore down on them, they would collapse of their own accord. Taizu followed his advice and did indeed defeat Chen Ce. On his return Taizu made Liu Ye Granary Officer to the Minister of Works. Records, Wei 14 §91–93
When Taizu attacked Zhang Lu, Liu Ye became Registrar (zhubu). In Hanzhong, with the mountains steep and provisions short, Taizu wished to turn back and had Liu Ye bring up the rear, but Liu Ye asked to attack, saying that Zhang Lu could be beaten and that with the supply lines cut off even a retreat would hardly leave the army intact. When crossbows were loosed against his camp, Zhang Lu fled and Hanzhong was pacified. Liu Ye said that if they took advantage of this momentum to attack Shu, it could be pacified by proclamation alone, but that with a little delay Zhuge Liang would become its chancellor and Guan Yu and Zhang Fei its generals, and it could no longer be assailed. Taizu did not follow this, and Liu Ye became Chief Clerk of the Army on Campaign (xingjun zhangshi) and concurrently held command of the guards (lingjun). Records, Wei 14 §94–97
In the 1st year of Yankang (220), when the Shu general Meng Da came over in surrender, Emperor Wen, who valued him, made him Administrator of Xincheng. Liu Ye said that Meng Da was out for easy gain and fond of tricks and would not be moved by gratitude, and that if trouble arose at Xincheng, which bordered Wu and Shu, it would become a worry for the state. Emperor Wen did not change his decision, and Meng Da later rebelled and was destroyed. Records, Wei 14 §97
In the 1st year of Huangchu (220) Liu Ye became Palace Attendant and received the rank of Marquis Within the Passes. When an edict asked whether Liu Bei would take revenge on Wu for Guan Yu's sake, everyone said that Shu was a small state and could not take the field again, but Liu Ye alone said that Guan Yu and Liu Bei were sovereign and subject in duty but like father and son in affection, so Liu Bei would surely send out an army, and Liu Bei did indeed attack Wu. When Wu sent an envoy declaring itself a vassal, the officials of the court all offered congratulations, but Liu Ye alone said that Wu was calling itself a subject only because it was hard pressed, and urged a surprise attack while it was vulnerable. After Liu Bei's army was defeated and withdrew, Wu's courtesies gradually lapsed, and when the emperor wished to attack, Liu Ye said that Wu was now of one mind and could not be quickly beaten, but the emperor did not listen. Records, Wei 14 §98–100
When Emperor Wen, while hunting, asked which was more enjoyable, hunting or music, the Palace Attendant Liu Ye answered that hunting was better, and was impeached by Bao Xun for flattery and disloyalty in pandering to His Majesty's excessive jest. Emperor Wen was angered and instead sent Bao Xun away as General of the Household of the Right. Records, Wei 12 §70–71
In the 5th year of Huangchu (224), when Emperor Wen advanced to Sikou in Guangling and had the armies of Jing and Yang provinces advance together, the officials said that Sun Quan would surely come in person, but Liu Ye said that Sun Quan would keep his troops in hand and neither advance nor withdraw. Sun Quan indeed did not come, and Emperor Wen said, 'Your reckoning was correct. But you should think of destroying the two enemies for me, not merely of understanding their circumstances.' Records, Wei 14 §101–102
When Emperor Ming ascended the throne, Liu Ye was promoted to Marquis of Dongting with a fief of 300 households. In the deliberation on honoring the father of Emperor Gao posthumously, Liu Ye cited the rites of Zhou and Han and argued that posthumous honors should stop with Emperor Gao, and since the Master of Writing Wei Zhen expressed the same view, it was put into practice. When Gongsun Yuan, Administrator of Liaodong, seized his uncle's position and sent a memorial, Liu Ye said that if they pressed him with troops while his rule was still new and offered rewards, he could be subdued without effort, and that unless he was destroyed now he would become a calamity later; Gongsun Yuan did in the end rebel. Records, Wei 14 §103–108
At court Liu Ye had almost no dealings with the men of his time. Asked why, he answered that the house of Wei had not long been on the throne, and that he, a collateral branch of the imperial clan under Han and in a position of trust under Wei, ought properly to have few companions and associates. In the 6th year of Taihe (232) he was made Grand Palace Grandee because of illness; before long he became Grand Herald, stepped down after two years, became Grand Palace Grandee again, and afterwards died. His posthumous title was Marquis Jing, and his son Liu Yu succeeded him. The Records do not state the year of his death. Records, Wei 14 §109
In his assessment Chen Shou called Cheng Yu, Guo Jia, Dong Zhao, Liu Ye and Jiang Ji remarkable gentlemen of their age in talent, strategy and planning. He wrote that although in upright government and virtuous conduct they differed from Xun You, in devising plans and making calculations they were of his kind. Records, Wei 14 §158
In Chapter 12 of the Romance, when the Tian family of Puyang sends a secret letter offering to hand over the city, Liu Ye tells Cao Cao that although Lü Bu lacks cunning, Chen Gong is full of schemes, so he should divide his army into three and lay two divisions in ambush outside the city. After Puyang is taken he warns that Lü Bu is a ferocious tiger who must be given no opening, and Cao Cao has Liu Ye and others hold Puyang. In Chapter 14, when Cao Cao establishes himself at Xudu, Liu Ye becomes Granary Officer to the Minister of Works. Romance, Ch. 12 §3–4 · 38Romance, Ch. 14 §34
In Chapter 23 he goes to Xiangcheng as Cao Cao's envoy, meets Jia Xu, and persuades Zhang Xiu to surrender at Xudu by asking whether, if the Chancellor bore an old grudge, he would have sent Liu Ye at all. At Guandu in Chapter 30, when Yuan Shao's troops shoot arrows from their earthen mounds, he presents a design for stone-throwing carts and has several hundred built overnight; Yuan Shao's soldiers call them 'thunderbolt carts.' When Yuan Shao's army digs tunnels, he has a long trench dug around the camp to stop them. Romance, Ch. 23 §2 · 5Romance, Ch. 30 §11–13
In Chapter 41 he tells Cao Cao, who is about to attack Fancheng, that he must first win the people's hearts, and proposes sending Xu Shu, who is close to Liu Bei, to urge surrender. In Chapter 67, after Cao Cao takes Hanzhong, he agrees with Sima Yi that with a little delay Zhuge Liang will become chancellor and Guan Yu and Zhang Fei generals and Shu can no longer be assailed, but Cao Cao halts his army. In Chapter 71, as Chief Clerk, he urges Cao Cao to lead a campaign in person because losing Hanzhong would shake the Central Plains, and Cao Cao regrets not having used his advice at the time. It is also Liu Ye who worries that Xiahou Yuan, too unyielding by temperament, may fall into a trap. Romance, Ch. 41 §2–3Romance, Ch. 67 §30–31Romance, Ch. 71 §4 · 13
In Chapter 79 Liu Ye is among the more than forty men who ask Emperor Xian to cede the throne to Cao Pi. In Chapter 82, when Sun Quan asks to submit, the Grandee Liu Ye proposes attacking Wu while it is fighting Shu, and remonstrates that granting Sun Quan the title of king would be like giving wings to a tiger, but Cao Pi does not accept this. In Chapter 85 he dissuades Cao Pi from attacking Wu because Lu Xun has just crushed the Shu army, and when Cao Pi asks why he now objects after urging an attack before, he replies that the times are different. When all three armies are defeated, Cao Pi laments not having heeded Jia Xu and Liu Ye. Romance, Ch. 79 §39Romance, Ch. 82 §13–14Romance, Ch. 85 §7–8 · 14
On the Wu campaign of the 5th year of Huangchu in Chapter 86 he serves as a staff officer together with Jiang Ji, and when not a single person can be seen across the river from the dragon boat, he cites the principle of the real and the feigned in the art of war and advises waiting three or four days to observe the enemy's movements. Romance, Ch. 86 §28 · 39–40
In Chapter 99, when Cao Zhen proposes attacking Shu, the Palace Attendant Liu Ye tells Cao Rui it is right, but tells the ministers who come to see him that Shu cannot be attacked. When Yang Ji reports this as deceiving His Majesty, Liu Ye answers that the great affairs of state must not be carelessly divulged and that, since war is the way of deception, matters must be kept secret until they are launched, and from then on Cao Rui respects him all the more. He is then appointed Military Adviser on the expedition of Cao Zhen and Sima Yi. Romance, Ch. 99 §40–43
Before serving Cao Cao: In Chapter 12 of the Romance, Liu Ye appears as an adviser at Cao Cao's side from the battle of Puyang onward. In the Records, he killed Zheng Bao in Yang Province and handed his retainers over to Liu Xun, and after Liu Xun, defeated by Sun Ce, fled to Taizu, he proposed a plan for attacking Chen Ce when Taizu came to Shouchun and became Granary Officer to the Minister of Works. The killing of Zheng Bao does not appear in the Romance. Romance, Ch. 12 §4Records, Wei 14 §85–93
Zhang Xiu's surrender: In Chapter 23 of the Romance, Liu Ye goes as envoy and wins Zhang Xiu over. In the Records, Zhang Xiu surrendered on the advice of Jia Xu, who had rebuked Yuan Shao's envoy and sent him back, and this episode does not appear in the Biography of Liu Ye. Romance, Ch. 23 §5Records, Wei 8 §58Records, Wei 10 §78Records, Wei 14 §82–109
Thunderbolt carts: In Chapter 30 of the Romance, Liu Ye proposes the stone-throwing carts and the long trench. The Biography of Yuan Shao in the Records says only that Taizu built stone-throwing carts to smash Yuan Shao's towers, which Yuan Shao's soldiers called thunderbolt carts, and that Taizu also stopped Yuan Shao's tunnels by digging a long trench inside his lines; Liu Ye's name does not appear. Romance, Ch. 30 §11–13Records, Wei 6 §52
Advice after Hanzhong: In Chapter 67 of the Romance, Sima Yi first proposes attacking Shu and Liu Ye supports him. In the Biography of Liu Ye in the Records, Liu Ye asked Taizu, who was about to withdraw, to attack Zhang Lu, pacifying Hanzhong, and then himself proposed advancing to attack Shu. Sima Yi does not appear in this passage. Romance, Ch. 67 §30–31Records, Wei 14 §94–97
Concern about Xiahou Yuan: In Chapter 71 of the Romance, Liu Ye warns Cao Cao that Xiahou Yuan is too unyielding by temperament. These words do not appear in the Biography of Liu Ye in the Records. Romance, Ch. 71 §13Records, Wei 14 §82–109
Sun Quan's vassalage: In Chapter 82 of the Romance, Liu Ye not only proposes attacking Wu but also remonstrates against granting Sun Quan the title of king. In Chen Shou's main text, Liu Ye only urged a surprise attack because Wu was calling itself a subject when hard pressed, and says nothing about the title of king. Romance, Ch. 82 §14Records, Wei 14 §99–100
The planned attack on Wu: In Chapter 85 of the Romance, Cao Pi ignores Liu Ye's objections, attacks Wu by three routes and is defeated, lamenting that he did not heed Jia Xu and Liu Ye. In the Records too, Liu Ye said that Wu, having newly achieved its aims, was of one mind and could not be quickly beaten, and the emperor did not listen, but the emperor's lament does not appear in the Biography of Liu Ye. Romance, Ch. 85 §7–8 · 14Records, Wei 14 §100
The campaign of the 5th year of Huangchu: In Chapter 86 of the Romance, Liu Ye advises watching the enemy's movements from the riverbank for three or four days. In the Records, Liu Ye reckoned for Emperor Wen, who had advanced to Sikou in Guangling, that Sun Quan would not come in person, and Sun Quan indeed did not come. Romance, Ch. 86 §39–40Records, Wei 14 §101–102
Yang Ji and the attack on Shu: In Chapter 99 of the Romance, Liu Ye tells Cao Rui and the ministers different things, answers Yang Ji's accusation by saying he was keeping a secret, and becomes Military Adviser on Cao Zhen's expedition. This episode is absent from the Biography of Liu Ye in Chen Shou's main text, which records under Emperor Ming only his promotion in rank, the deliberation on posthumous honors and his advice to attack Gongsun Yuan. Romance, Ch. 99 §41–43Records, Wei 14 §103–109
Last years: The Romance does not mention Liu Ye after Chapter 99. In the Records, he was made Grand Palace Grandee because of illness in the 6th year of Taihe (232), served as Grand Herald and then died, receiving the posthumous title Marquis Jing. Romance, Ch. 99 §43Records, Wei 14 §109
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RAt a banquet drew the sword he wore and killed Zheng Bao himselfWei 14 §86
NNo direct record — estimated from his conduct as an adviserCh. 12 §38
RRecognized that Meng Da was not a man to feel gratitude, and was proved rightWei 14 §97
NRecommended Xu Shu as envoy and warned of Xiahou Yuan's impetuosityCh. 41 §3Ch. 71 §13
RPersuaded the leaders of Zheng Bao's retainers by explaining the consequences, and made them submitWei 14 §86
NWent as envoy and persuaded Zhang Xiu and Jia Xu to surrender to Cao CaoCh. 23 §2Ch. 23 §5
RZheng Bao's men submitted and acknowledged him as their master, and Xu Shao praised himWei 14 §87Wei 14 §84
NNo direct record — estimated from Cao Rui's trust in himCh. 99 §42
RTook control of Zheng Bao's camp, oversaw the rearguard, and concurrently held command of the guardsWei 14 §87Wei 14 §94Wei 14 §97
NNo direct record — estimated from his accompanying expeditions as an adviserCh. 99 §43
RCited Zhou and Han precedents on posthumous honors, and his view was put into practiceWei 14 §105
NNo direct record — estimated from his discussions of the art of warCh. 86 §40
RAssessment: outstanding in strategy; foresaw Liu Bei's revenge and Sun Quan's absenceWei 14 §158Wei 14 §98Wei 14 §89
NStopped Yuan Shao's assaults with stone-throwing carts and a trench, and judged the right time to attack WuCh. 30 §11Ch. 85 §7Ch. 99 §42
RNo direct record — estimated from his posts as Granary Officer and Grand HeraldWei 14 §93
NNo direct record — estimated from his proposal to win the people's heartsCh. 41 §2
RAssessment: differed from Xun You in virtue; killed the concubine as his mother's dying wish askedWei 14 §158Wei 14 §83
NJoined the group asking Emperor Xian to abdicate in favor of Cao PiCh. 79 §39
RAs a member of the imperial clan gave up his troops and formed no faction at court, keeping himself safeWei 14 §87Wei 14 §109
NChanged his words to keep a secret, and so won even greater respect from Cao RuiCh. 99 §41
NSkilled +10 Presented a design for carts and had several hundred stone-throwing carts builtCh. 30 §11
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