RAssessment: acted in reliance on name and principle; saved Liu Yi without boasting of itWei 22 §108Wei 22 §19Wei 22 §36
NUrged Cao Cao to take the throne and asked Emperor Xian of Han to abdicateCh. 78 §22Ch. 79 §39
| Occupation | RNOfficial · Minister of Works | Faction | Wei |
|---|---|---|---|
| Appears | RN | Biography in | Book of Wei |
| Born | R? Unverified | Native place | Yingchuan Commandery Xuchang County |
| Died | R237 Unverified | Place of death | |
| Existence | Historical | Mentions | R61 |
Chen Qun, courtesy name Changwen, was a man of Xuchang County in Yingchuan Commandery. His grandfather Chen Shi and his father Chen Ji were both highly renowned. He was Attendant Officer (biejia) to Liu Bei when Liu Bei governed Yu Province, then became a clerk of the Western Bureau under Cao Cao as Minister of Works, and under Emperor Wen and Emperor Ming he rose through Director of the Imperial Secretariat and General-in-Chief Who Guards the Army to Minister of Works. Records, Wei 22 §11 · 13 · 20
The Nine-Rank System of Wei was his proposal. He received Emperor Wen's deathbed edict and assisted Emperor Ming together with Cao Zhen, Sima Xuanwang and others, and he repeatedly remonstrated with Emperor Ming over a princess's funeral and palace construction. He died as Minister of Works in the 12th month of the 4th year of Qinglong (early 237 CE). Records, Wei 22 §19–20 · 25–35Records, Wei 3 §48
In his assessment Chen Shou, author of the Records, said that he 'acted in reliance on name and principle, and had the refined reputation of the pure current.' In the Romance he first appears in Chapter 58 as an Attendant Secretary Who Handles Documents who offers Cao Cao a plan to attack Jiangnan, and features in 6 of its 120 chapters; no chapter title bears his name. Records, Wei 22 §108Romance, Ch. 58 §1
His grandfather Chen Shi, his father Chen Ji and his uncle Chen Chen all enjoyed great renown. Chen Shi regarded the young Chen Qun as exceptional and said that this child would surely make the family flourish. Kong Rong of Lu at first was a friend of Chen Ji, but after he came to know Chen Qun he changed his manner and bowed to Chen Ji as to an elder, and through this Chen Qun's name became known. When Liu Bei governed Yu Province, he summoned him and made him Attendant Officer. Records, Wei 22 §11
When Tao Qian died of illness and Xu Province invited Liu Bei to take it over, Chen Qun tried to dissuade him, saying that Yuan Shu was still strong, that if Liu Bei went east he would surely have to fight him, and that Lü Bu would strike at his rear. Liu Bei went east after all and fought Yuan Shu, and when Lü Bu did indeed seize Xiapi and crushed Liu Bei's army, Liu Bei regretted not having followed Chen Qun's advice. Chen Qun was recommended as Abundant Talent (maocai) and appointed Magistrate of Zhe, but he did not take up the post and instead followed his father to Xu Province to escape the disorder. Records, Wei 22 §12
When Lü Bu was defeated, Cao Cao summoned Chen Qun and made him a clerk of the Western Bureau under the Minister of Works. Chen Qun said that Wang Mo and Zhou Kui, whom Cao Cao intended to summon, were of corrupt character and would come to grief in the end, and when the two were later executed for wicked deeds, Cao Cao apologized to him. Chen Jiao, whom he recommended, became a famous minister, and Dai Qian died holding to loyalty during a revolt by men of Wu, so the world held that he knew how to judge men. He also repeatedly denounced Guo Jia at court for not restraining his conduct; Cao Cao valued Guo Jia all the more, but also liked Chen Qun for upholding what was right. Records, Wei 22 §13Records, Wei 14 §43
After serving as magistrate of several counties, he left office on his father's death, and later, after serving as Attendant Secretary Who Handles Documents and as Military Adviser to the Chancellor, he became Palace Assistant Imperial Clerk when the state of Wei was established. When Cao Cao had the restoration of mutilating punishments discussed, Chen Qun set forth his father's argument that Han had abolished mutilation and increased flogging, so that punishments were light in name but in fact killed even more people, and proposed that some capital crimes be punished by mutilation instead. Zhong Yao was of the same opinion, but Wang Lang and others said it could not yet be put into effect, and Cao Cao, since the wars were not over and there were various opinions, set the matter aside for the time being. Records, Wei 22 §14–18
He became Palace Attendant and concurrently Clerk of the Eastern and Western Bureaus of the Chancellor. At court he showed neither special favor nor special disfavor to anyone and held to name and principle. Emperor Wen, when Crown Prince, treated him with the courtesy due to a friend and exclaimed, 'Since I gained my Yan Hui, my disciples have grown closer day by day.' When Emperor Wen became King of Wei, Chen Qun was enfeoffed as Marquis of Changwu Village and became Master of Writing; the Nine-Rank System was his proposal. Records, Wei 22 §19
When Emperor Wen became emperor, Chen Qun passed through the post of Deputy Director of the Imperial Secretariat to become Director of the Imperial Secretariat (shangshu ling), and was promoted to Marquis of Ying Village. When Emperor Wen wished to enfeoff the parents of the Empress Dowager posthumously, Chen Qun stopped him, saying that the classics provided no institution for granting land and rank to women, and Emperor Wen agreed. In the 4th year of Huangchu (223), together with Sima Xuanwang, he recommended Bao Xun as Palace Assistant Imperial Clerk. When Emperor Wen went to Guangling to attack Sun Quan, Chen Qun concurrently served as Commander of the Central Guard and took overall command of the navy, and on their return he became General-in-Chief Who Guards the Army, Central Protector of the Army and Intendant of the Affairs of the Imperial Secretariat. Records, Wei 22 §20Records, Wei 5 §12Records, Wei 12 §72
In the 5th month of the 7th year of Huangchu (226), when Emperor Wen fell gravely ill, Chen Qun, together with Cao Zhen, Cao Xiu and Sima Xuanwang, received the deathbed edict to assist the succeeding sovereign. When Emperor Ming ascended the throne, Chen Qun was promoted to Marquis of Yingyin with a fief of 1,300 households and opened his own office, and in the 12th month of that year (early 227 CE) he became Minister of Works. When Emperor Ming first took charge of the government, Chen Qun submitted a memorial saying that ministers echoing one another and obscuring right and wrong was a great calamity for the state, and that its source must be cut off. Records, Wei 2 §52Records, Wei 22 §20–22Records, Wei 3 §4
In the Taihe era, when Cao Zhen wished to attack Shu by way of the Xie Valley, Chen Qun objected that even when Taizu attacked Zhang Lu provisions had run short, and that the Xie Valley was so rugged that the transport of provisions would be cut off; the emperor followed him. When Cao Zhen then proposed going by the Ziwu Road, Chen Qun pointed out its disadvantages, and when the heavy rains continued he proposed recalling Cao Zhen, and the emperor followed his advice. Records, Wei 22 §23–24
When the imperial daughter Shu died before she was a year old, and Emperor Ming had her buried with the rites for an adult, had the whole court wear mourning and intended to attend the funeral in person, Chen Qun asked him to stop, saying there had been no such thing since antiquity, and remonstrated that moving to Xuchang would also bring no benefit, but the emperor did not listen. In the Qinglong era, when palace construction made the people miss the farming season, he remonstrated that the present population was no more than that of a single large commandery in the time of Emperors Wen and Jing of Han and that Wu and Shu still remained, and the emperor reduced the construction somewhat. Records, Wei 22 §25–35
In Cao Cao's time, Liu Yi was implicated in his younger brother's plot to rebel and faced execution, but was pardoned thanks to Chen Qun's words. When Liu Yi thanked him deeply, Chen Qun said that deliberating on punishments had been for the sake of the state, not a private matter. He died as Minister of Works on the guisi day of the 12th month of the 4th year of Qinglong (early 237 CE); his posthumous title was Marquis Jing, and his son Chen Tai succeeded him. In the 4th year of Zhengshi (243) the court had him enshrined and sacrificed to in the temple court of Taizu. Records, Wei 22 §36Records, Wei 3 §48Records, Wei 4 §14
In his assessment Chen Shou said that Chen Qun acted in reliance on name and principle and had the refined reputation of the pure current. In the assessment of the Biographies of Empresses and Consorts, too, Chen Shou wrote of Chen Qun's argument against granting land and rank to the families of empresses and consorts that it was fit to serve as a rule for a hundred kings. Records, Wei 22 §108Records, Wei 5 §53
In Chapter 58 of the Romance, the Attendant Secretary Who Handles Documents Chen Qun tells Cao Cao that although Liu Bei and Sun Quan depend on each other like lips and teeth, Liu Bei has his eye on Xichuan, so if Cao Cao joins his forces with the army at Hefei and attacks Jiangnan, Liu Bei will not help even if Sun Quan asks for rescue. On hearing that once Jiangdong is taken Jing Province and Xichuan can be seized in turn, Cao Cao sends a great army of 300,000 to Jiangnan. Romance, Ch. 58 §1–2
In Chapter 78, as Palace Attendant, he urges Cao Cao, since Sun Quan has declared himself a subject and submitted, to follow the will of Heaven and men and assume the supreme position, but Cao Cao replies that he himself will be King Wen of Zhou. In the same chapter, Cao Cao, facing death, summons Cao Hong, Chen Qun, Jia Xu and Sima Yi to his bedside and entrusts them with affairs after his death. Romance, Ch. 78 §22 · 28
In Chapter 79, together with Hua Xin, Wang Lang, Jia Xu and some forty other civil and military officials, he asks Emperor Xian to abdicate in favor of Cao Pi, King of Wei. In Chapter 80, Emperor Xian, having no choice, has Chen Qun draft the edict of abdication, and Hua Xin takes the edict and the imperial seal to the palace of the King of Wei. Romance, Ch. 79 §39Romance, Ch. 80 §12
In Chapter 91, Cao Pi, gravely ill, summons the three men Cao Zhen, Chen Qun and Sima Yi to his bedchamber and entrusts the young Cao Rui to them, and after Cao Rui's accession Chen Qun becomes Minister of Works. In Chapter 106 he appears as a Major under Sima Yi, who has gone to Liaodong to attack Gongsun Yuan; he asks why, unlike during the earlier attack on Shangyong, Sima Yi does not assault the city and leaves the enemy free to gather firewood and graze their livestock, and after hearing Sima Yi's explanation he bows in admiration. Romance, Ch. 91 §17 · 19Romance, Ch. 106 §16–17
First master: In the Romance, Chen Qun first appears in Chapter 58 as Cao Cao's Attendant Secretary Who Handles Documents. In the Records, he first became Attendant Officer to Liu Bei, who was governing Yu Province, and advised him against going to Xu Province, and Liu Bei later regretted not heeding him. Romance, Ch. 58 §1Records, Wei 22 §11–12
The plan to attack Jiangnan: In Chapter 58 of the Romance, Chen Qun proposes attacking Jiangnan in order to separate Liu Bei and Sun Quan. This plan does not appear in the Biography of Chen Qun in the Records. Romance, Ch. 58 §1–2Records, Wei 22 §11–36
Urging Cao Cao to take the throne: In Chapter 78 of the Romance, Chen Qun urges Cao Cao to assume the supreme position and is entrusted with affairs at Cao Cao's deathbed. Neither episode appears in the Biography of Chen Qun in the Records. Romance, Ch. 78 §22 · 28Records, Wei 22 §11–36
The edict of abdication: In Chapter 80 of the Romance, Emperor Xian has Chen Qun draft the edict of abdication. In the Records, the Han emperor had Zhang Yin, acting Imperial Counselor, bear the tally and present the seal and ribbon to cede the throne, and the Biography of Chen Qun says nothing of his writing the edict. Romance, Ch. 80 §12Records, Wei 2 §13Records, Wei 22 §11–36
Cao Pi's deathbed edict: In Chapter 91 of the Romance, Cao Pi entrusts Cao Rui to the three men Cao Zhen, Chen Qun and Sima Yi. In the Records, four men, Cao Zhen, Chen Qun, Cao Xiu and Sima Xuanwang, received the deathbed edict together. Romance, Ch. 91 §17Records, Wei 2 §52
The Liaodong campaign: In Chapter 106 of the Romance, Chen Qun appears as a Major in the army of Sima Yi, who has gone to attack Gongsun Yuan. In the Records, Chen Qun died in the 12th month of the 4th year of Qinglong (early 237 CE), and Sima Xuanwang's attack on Gongsun Yuan took place in the 2nd year of Jingchu (238). Romance, Ch. 106 §16–17Records, Wei 3 §48Records, Wei 30 §59
His deeds in the Records: In the Records, Chen Qun discussed the restoration of mutilating punishments, proposed the Nine-Rank System, and repeatedly remonstrated with Emperor Ming over the attack on Shu, a princess's funeral and palace construction. None of these appears in the six chapters of the Romance in which he features. Records, Wei 22 §15–19 · 23–35Romance, Ch. 58 §1Romance, Ch. 106 §16
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RAssessment: acted in reliance on name and principle; saved Liu Yi without boasting of itWei 22 §108Wei 22 §19Wei 22 §36
NUrged Cao Cao to take the throne and asked Emperor Xian of Han to abdicateCh. 78 §22Ch. 79 §39
RSaw the poor character of Wang Mo and Zhou Kui and recommended Chen Jiao and Dai Qian, and the world acknowledged itWei 22 §13Wei 22 §19
NNo direct record — estimated from his conduct as a civil officialCh. 58 §1
RProposed the Nine-Rank System, debated the penal laws, and got palace construction reducedWei 22 §19Wei 22 §15Wei 22 §30
NNo direct record — estimated from his standing as Minister of Works and minister entrusted with the deathbed edictCh. 91 §19
RAssessment: refined reputation of the pure current; Kong Rong bowed to him as an elder and Emperor Wen treated him as a friendWei 22 §108Wei 22 §11Wei 22 §19
NNo direct record — estimated from the trust shown in his receiving Cao Pi's deathbed edictCh. 91 §17
RCited the Book of Documents, the Changes and the Odes in discussing brotherhood and moral transformationWei 22 §16Wei 22 §21
NNo direct record — estimated from his post as Attendant Secretary Who Handles DocumentsCh. 58 §1
RBy remonstrance got Emperor Ming to reduce construction and to follow his advice on Cao Zhen's campaignWei 22 §32Wei 22 §23
NNo direct record — estimated from his memorials urging accession to the throneCh. 78 §22
RWarned Liu Bei of Lü Bu's surprise attack and was proved right; pointed out the disadvantages of Cao Zhen's Shu campaignWei 22 §12Wei 22 §23
NProposed striking Sun Quan first to split him from Liu Bei, and the plan was adoptedCh. 58 §1
RNo direct record — estimated from his post commanding the navy with the Staff of AuthorityWei 22 §20
NNo direct record — estimated from his post as General-in-Chief Who Guards the ArmyCh. 91 §17
RNo direct record — estimated from his conduct as a civil officialWei 22 §14
NNo direct record — estimated from his conduct as a civil officialCh. 58 §1
RConducted himself without favoritism, was trusted across four reigns, and received the deathbed edictWei 22 §19
NRode the current of Wei's usurpation and rose as high as Minister of WorksCh. 78 §22Ch. 91 §19
Records Romance Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)
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| Parents | Chen Ji(陳紀) Records |
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| Children | Chen Tai Records |
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