RRemained calm in prison and kept his plans even from his own family, exercising self-restraintWei 10 §53Wei 10 §64
NWas wary of his words leaking out, yet incurred Cao Cao's anger and died of illnessCh. 48 §11Ch. 66 §33
| Occupation | RStrategist · Director of the Imperial Secretariat NStrategist · Prefect of the Palace Secretariat | Faction | Wei |
|---|---|---|---|
| Appears | RN | Biography in | Book of Wei |
| Born | R157 Unverified | Native place | Yingchuan Commandery |
| Died | R214 Unverified | Place of death | |
| Cause of death | NIllness Unverified | ||
| Existence | Historical | Mentions | R51 |
Xun You, courtesy name Gongda, was a native of Yingchuan and the nephew of Xun Yu. Summoned by He Jin, he became Gentleman of the Yellow Gate (huangmen shilang); he plotted to kill Dong Zhuo but was discovered and imprisoned, and was released when Dong Zhuo died. After Cao Cao received the Son of Heaven and made Xu the capital, Xun You was summoned and became his Military Adviser (junshi), and he repeatedly devised plans in the wars against Lü Bu and Yuan Shao. Records, Wei 10 §51–60Records, Wei 29 §40
In recognition of his merit he was enfeoffed as Marquis of Lingshu Village, and after serving as Military Adviser of the Central Army, he became Director of the Imperial Secretariat (shangshu ling) when the state of Wei was first established. He died on the way while accompanying the campaign against Sun Quan, and whenever Cao Cao spoke of him he shed tears. Records, Wei 10 §63 · 65
In his assessment, Chen Shou said of Xun You and Jia Xu that their calculations left scarcely a plan overlooked, and that they were second only to Zhang Liang and Chen Ping. In the Romance he first appeared in Chapter 2 and featured in 18 of its 120 chapters, but no chapter title bears his name. He repeatedly devised plans as a strategist at Cao Cao's side, and in Chapter 66, after opposing Cao Cao's elevation to King of Wei, he fell ill from grief and indignation and died. Records, Wei 10 §91Romance, Ch. 2 §41Romance, Ch. 66 §33
Xun You, courtesy name Gongda, was the nephew of Xun Yu. His grandfather Xun Tan was Administrator of Guangling. When Xun Tan died, his former subordinate Zhang Quan asked to keep watch over his tomb; Xun You, then thirteen years old, told his uncle Xun Qu that the man's countenance was out of the ordinary. When they questioned him, he turned out indeed to be a fugitive who had killed someone. Records, Wei 10 §51
When He Jin held power and summoned more than twenty renowned scholars from across the realm, Xun You came and became Gentleman of the Yellow Gate. When Dong Zhuo moved the capital to Chang'an, Xun You plotted with the Consultants Zheng Tai and He Yong, the Palace Attendant Chong Ji, the Colonel of Elite Cavalry Wu Qiong and others to stab Dong Zhuo to death and so make amends to the people. When the plan was on the verge of success it was discovered, and He Yong and Xun You were thrown into prison. He Yong took his own life, but Xun You spoke, ate and drank as calmly as ever, and was released when Dong Zhuo happened to die. Records, Wei 10 §52–53
Xun You left office and went home, and was later transferred to be Chancellor of Rencheng but did not take up the post. Regarding the lands of Shu and Han as rugged and secure, he asked to become Administrator of Shu Commandery, but the roads were cut off and he could not get there, so he stayed in Jing Province. After Cao Cao received the Son of Heaven and made Xu the capital, he sent Xun You a letter asking whether, at a time when wise men should be exerting their minds, he had not spent too long merely watching events unfold from Shu and Han. Xun You was then summoned and became Administrator of Runan, and then entered the court as Imperial Secretary (shangshu). Records, Wei 10 §53–54
Cao Cao talked with him and was greatly pleased, telling Xun Yu and Zhong Yao, "Gongda is no ordinary man. If I can plan affairs with him, what worry need I have for the realm?" and he made him his Military Adviser. Records, Wei 10 §54–55
In the 3rd year of Jian'an (198), when Cao Cao attacked Zhang Xiu, Xun You said that since Zhang Xiu, with a roving army, relied on Liu Biao for food, the two were bound by circumstance to split apart, and he advised slowing the advance so as to lure Zhang Xiu in. Cao Cao did not follow this advice but advanced to Rang and gave battle, and Liu Biao did indeed come to Zhang Xiu's rescue, so the fighting went badly. Cao Cao said, "It has come to this because I did not use your words," and fought again, crushing them. In the same year, when Cao Cao failed to take Lü Bu at Xiapi and wished to withdraw, Xun You, together with Guo Jia, persuaded him that Lü Bu was brave but lacked strategy and Chen Gong was wise but slow, so they should attack swiftly before Lü Bu's spirit recovered. They then diverted the Yi and Si rivers to flood the city; the city collapsed, and Lü Bu was captured. Records, Wei 10 §55–57
In the 5th year of Jian'an (200), when Cao Cao went to relieve Liu Yan at Baima, Xun You devised the plan by which Yan Liang was beheaded. According to the Annals of Emperor Wu, Xun You had the army make as if to cross the river at Yanjin and get behind Yuan Shao, drawing Yuan Shao's troops west, and then had light troops make a surprise attack on Baima. When they were returning from Baima and Yuan Shao crossed the Yellow River in pursuit, the generals urged a return to camp, but Xun You said, "This is exactly the way to capture the enemy," and Cao Cao looked at him and laughed. Using the baggage train as bait, they threw the enemy ranks into disorder and beheaded Yuan Shao's cavalry commander Wen Chou. Records, Wei 10 §58–59Records, Wei 1 §58 · 60–61
While Cao Cao was facing Yuan Shao at Guandu and his army's food was running out, Xun You said that Yuan Shao's supply wagons were about to arrive and that their commander Han Meng was fierce but held his enemies lightly, so he could be attacked, and he recommended Xu Huang. Xu Huang and Shi Huan defeated him. When Xu You came over and proposed attacking Chunyu Qiong and the others, everyone was doubtful; only Xun You and Jia Xu urged it, and Cao Cao left Xun You and Cao Hong to hold the camp while he went himself and beheaded Chunyu Qiong and all the others. When Yuan Shao's generals Zhang He and Gao Lan came to surrender, Cao Hong was suspicious and did not dare accept them, but Xun You had them accepted, saying that Zhang He had come in anger because his plans had not been used. Records, Wei 10 §59–60
In the 7th year of Jian'an (202) he followed Cao Cao in attacking Yuan Tan and Yuan Shang at Liyang. The following year, when Cao Cao was about to attack Liu Biao, Yuan Tan sent Xin Pi to offer surrender and ask for help. Most of the ministers said that Liu Biao should be subdued first, but Xun You said that Liu Biao had no ambition to expand in any direction, whereas the Yuan family held the lands of four provinces and an army of a hundred thousand, and that now that the brothers had become enemies, Cao Cao should take advantage of their disorder and seize it. Cao Cao agreed to make peace with Yuan Tan, then turned back and crushed Yuan Shang. Records, Wei 10 §61–62
Later, when Yuan Tan rebelled, they beheaded him at Nanpi. When Ji Province was pacified, Cao Cao submitted a memorial saying, "The Military Adviser Xun You has assisted me from the very beginning and has never failed to accompany me on campaign; our victories over the enemy, early and late, were all due to Xun You's plans," and Xun You was enfeoffed as Marquis of Lingshu Village. In the 12th year of Jian'an (207), when merits were assessed on a grand scale and fiefs granted, Cao Cao named Xun Yu as the one who had been loyal and upright, laid careful plans and brought peace within and without, and said, "Gongda comes next." Xun You was transferred to Military Adviser of the Central Army, and when the state of Wei was first established he became Director of the Imperial Secretariat. Records, Wei 10 §63
Xun You was deep and meticulous in his thinking; he always laid his plans within the command tent, and neither his contemporaries nor even his own sons and nephews knew what he had said. Cao Cao praised him: "Gongda appears foolish outwardly but is wise within, appears timid outwardly but is brave within, appears weak outwardly but is strong within." Cao Cao told Cao Pi, then in the Eastern Palace, that Xun You was a model for all men and that he should treat him with the utmost courtesy and respect, and when Xun You fell ill, the heir came to ask after him and alone bowed at the foot of his bed. Only his friend Zhong Yao knew the twelve extraordinary stratagems he had devised over the years; Zhong Yao was compiling them but died before finishing, so the world never heard them all. Records, Wei 10 §64–65
Xun You died on the way while accompanying the campaign against Sun Quan, and whenever Cao Cao spoke of him he shed tears. Zhong Yao looked after the family of Xun You, who had died before him, and married off his concubine. His eldest son Xun Ji died young, and his second son Xun Shi succeeded him but had no son, so the line was cut off; during the Huangchu era his grandson Xun Biao inherited the title. During the Zhengshi era he was posthumously named Respectful Marquis (Jinghou), and in the 11th month of the 5th year of Zhengshi (244) an edict had him enshrined as an attendant in the temple courtyard of Taizu. Records, Wei 10 §65–66Records, Wei 29 §40Records, Wei 4 §14–16
In his assessment, Chen Shou named Xun You and Jia Xu together, saying that their calculations left scarcely a plan overlooked and that they mastered principle while excelling at adapting to circumstances, so that they were second only to Zhang Liang and Chen Ping. Records, Wei 10 §91
In Chapter 2 of the Romance, Xun You was among the more than thirty ministers, including He Yong and Zheng Tai, with whom He Jin placed Crown Prince Bian on the throne before the coffin of Emperor Ling. In Chapter 10, having served as Gentleman of the Yellow Gate before resigning his post and returning home, he came with his uncle Xun Yu to Cao Cao in Yan Province and became Army Instructor (xingjun jiaoshou). In Chapter 14, after Cao Cao received the Son of Heaven at Xudu, he made Xun You his Military Adviser. Romance, Ch. 2 §41Romance, Ch. 10 §20–21Romance, Ch. 14 §34
In Chapter 19, when Cao Cao, having failed to take Xiapi for two months, was about to leave Lü Bu be and withdraw, Xun You urgently stopped him, saying that Lü Bu's edge had been blunted by repeated defeats and that Chen Gong had strategy but was slow, so a swift attack would capture Lü Bu. Then, when Guo Jia spoke of a certain plan, Xun Yu guessed that he meant breaching the waters of the Yi and Si rivers. In Chapter 23, Cao Cao boasted that Xun You, together with Xun Yu, Guo Jia and Cheng Yu, surpassed even Xiao He and Chen Ping, but Mi Heng disparaged him as fit only to keep watch over graves. Romance, Ch. 19 §42–43Romance, Ch. 23 §12–13
In Chapter 26, when Wen Chou's troops bore down on them and the generals urged a retreat to Baima, Xun You stopped them, asking why they should retreat when this was the bait to hook the enemy; when Cao Cao glanced at him and laughed, he grasped his meaning and said no more. Later Cao Cao said that at that time "only Xun Gongda understood my mind." At Guandu in Chapter 30 he recommended Xu Huang as the man to cut off Han Meng's grain wagons, and when Wuchao was attacked he held the main camp together with Jia Xu and Cao Hong. He then devised the plan of spreading rumors that they were going to attack Ye Commandery and Liyang, so as to make Yuan Shao divide his forces. Romance, Ch. 26 §8–9 · 17–18Romance, Ch. 30 §16–17 · 34 · 52
In Chapter 32, to Cheng Yu and others who said that Yuan Tan, who had come to surrender, could not be trusted, he said that Liu Biao merely held the land between the Yangtze and the Han, so they should take advantage of the brothers' fighting each other to eliminate Yuan Shang first and Yuan Tan afterwards. In Chapter 33 he said that a stratagem of feigned surrender must be used to defeat Gao Gan, who was holding Huguan, and while at Cao Cao's side on the corner tower of the city of Ji Province, he saw a golden light rising from the ground and said there must be treasure there. In Chapter 34, when a bronze sparrow was dug up there, he interpreted it as an auspicious omen, saying that Shun's mother had dreamt of a jade sparrow entering her bosom and had given birth to Shun, and Cao Cao had the Bronze Sparrow Terrace built on the bank of the Zhang River. Romance, Ch. 32 §23–24Romance, Ch. 33 §26 · 51–52Romance, Ch. 34 §1
In Chapter 41 he asked why Cai Mao and Zhang Yun had been given command of the navy, and once Xiangyang had been pacified he advised seizing Jiangling first. In Chapter 42 he advised sending a proclamation to Sun Quan inviting him to join in a hunt at Jiangxia, and in Chapter 46 he proposed having Cai Mao's younger clansmen Cai Zhong and Cai He feign surrender to Eastern Wu and serve as spies. In Chapter 48 he backed Cheng Yu's warning about a fire attack on the chained ships, but Cao Cao rejected it, saying that there was no east or south wind in the depths of winter. Romance, Ch. 41 §24 · 29Romance, Ch. 42 §27Romance, Ch. 46 §29–30Romance, Ch. 48 §21–22
In Chapter 57 he advised Cao Cao to make Ma Teng General Who Conquers the South, lure him to the capital and eliminate him first. In Chapter 66, when the Palace Attendant Wang Can and others proposed elevating Cao Cao to King of Wei, Xun You, as Prefect of the Palace Secretariat (zhongshu ling), opposed it, saying that since Cao Cao's rank had already reached Duke of Wei with the Nine Bestowments added, his position was already at its height. When Cao Cao said angrily, "Does this man wish to imitate Xun Yu?", Xun You fell ill from grief and indignation and died some ten days later. He was fifty-eight, and Cao Cao dropped the matter of becoming King of Wei. Romance, Ch. 57 §38–39Romance, Ch. 66 §33–34
How he came to Cao Cao: In Chapter 10 of the Romance he came with his uncle Xun Yu to Cao Cao in Yan Province and became Army Instructor, and in Chapter 14 he became Military Adviser. In the Records, Xun Yu followed Cao Cao in the 2nd year of Chuping (191), while Xun You stayed in Jing Province and was summoned by letter only after Cao Cao had received the Son of Heaven and made Xu the capital, becoming Military Adviser after serving as Administrator of Runan and Imperial Secretary. Romance, Ch. 10 §20–21Romance, Ch. 14 §34Records, Wei 10 §4 · 53–55
The plot to kill Dong Zhuo: In the Records, Xun You plotted with Zheng Tai, He Yong and others to stab Dong Zhuo to death but was discovered and imprisoned, and was released thanks to Dong Zhuo's death. Chapter 10 of the Romance says only that he served as Gentleman of the Yellow Gate and then resigned and went home; neither the plot nor his imprisonment appears in any chapter of the Romance in which Xun You appears. Romance, Ch. 10 §21Records, Wei 10 §52–53
The flooding at Xiapi: In Chapter 19 of the Romance, after Xun You urged a swift attack, Guo Jia put forward a plan and Xun Yu guessed that he meant breaching the waters of the Yi and Si rivers. In Xun You's biography in the Records, Xun You and Guo Jia together persuaded Cao Cao to attack swiftly, and then the Yi and Si rivers were diverted to flood the city. Who devised the idea of flooding it is not recorded. Romance, Ch. 19 §43Records, Wei 10 §57
The plan that slew Yan Liang: In the Annals of Emperor Wu in the Records, Xun You devised the plan of feigning a river crossing at Yanjin to turn Yuan Shao's troops west and then making a surprise attack on Baima, by which Yan Liang was beheaded. In Chapter 25 of the Romance, after Song Xian and Wei Xu were cut down by Yan Liang and Xu Huang was driven back, Cheng Yu recommended Guan Yu, and Xun You's plan does not appear. Romance, Ch. 25 §41–43Records, Wei 1 §60–61Records, Wei 10 §58
The attack on Wuchao: In the Records, everyone doubted Xu You's words, and only Xun You and Jia Xu urged the attack. In Chapter 30 of the Romance, it was Zhang Liao who doubted Xu You, and Cao Cao decided on his own; Xun You merely held the main camp with Jia Xu and Cao Hong and said nothing to urge the attack. Romance, Ch. 30 §33–34Records, Wei 10 §59–60
Zhang He's surrender: In the Records, when Zhang He and Gao Lan came to surrender, Cao Hong was suspicious and did not dare accept them, and Xun You had them accepted, saying that Zhang He had come in anger because his plans had not been used. In Chapter 30 of the Romance, it was Xiahou Dun who was suspicious, and Cao Cao accepted them, saying that if he treated them with kindness, even divided loyalties would change. Romance, Ch. 30 §49Records, Wei 10 §60
Yuan Tan's surrender: In Chapter 32 of the Romance, Xun You said to eliminate Yuan Shang first and then, watching how things changed, to eliminate Yuan Tan as well. In the Records, Xun You said to seize the Yuan lands by taking advantage of the disorder when the brothers had become enemies, and Cao Cao agreed to make peace with Yuan Tan before turning back and crushing Yuan Shang. Yuan Tan later rebelled and was then beheaded at Nanpi. Romance, Ch. 32 §23–24Records, Wei 10 §61–63
The Bronze Sparrow Terrace and the plans at Red Cliffs: The interpretation of the bronze sparrow in Chapters 33–34 of the Romance; the advice on Jiangling, the proclamation for a hunt at Jiangxia and the plan for the feigned surrender of Cai Zhong and Cai He in Chapters 41–48; the plan to lure in Ma Teng in Chapter 57; and the earthen fortress on the Wei River in Chapter 59 are all absent from Xun You's biography in the Records. Romance, Ch. 34 §1Romance, Ch. 46 §29–30Romance, Ch. 57 §39Romance, Ch. 59 §2Records, Wei 10 §50–66
Office and death: In Chapter 66 of the Romance, Xun You, as Prefect of the Palace Secretariat, opposed elevating Cao Cao to King of Wei, incurred Cao Cao's anger, fell ill from grief and indignation and died at fifty-eight. In the Records, Xun You became Director of the Imperial Secretariat when the state of Wei was first established and died on the way while accompanying the campaign against Sun Quan, and whenever Cao Cao spoke of him he shed tears. Neither his opposition to the title of King of Wei nor his age at death appears in his biography. Romance, Ch. 66 §33Records, Wei 10 §63 · 65 · 50–66
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RRemained calm in prison and kept his plans even from his own family, exercising self-restraintWei 10 §53Wei 10 §64
NWas wary of his words leaking out, yet incurred Cao Cao's anger and died of illnessCh. 48 §11Ch. 66 §33
RTaizu called him a model for all men, and the heir bowed at the foot of his bedWei 10 §64
NNo direct record — estimated from his being entrusted with high responsibility as Military AdviserCh. 14 §34
RDirector of the Imperial Secretariat of Wei; cited in the assessment as a model of upright governanceWei 10 §63Wei 14 §158
NNo direct record — estimated from his office of Prefect of the Palace SecretariatCh. 66 §33
RHeld the main camp with Cao Hong at Guandu and always accompanied the campaignsWei 10 §60Wei 10 §63
NNo direct record — estimated from his holding the main campCh. 30 §34
RSent Xu Huang to defeat Han Meng and saw that Zhang He was sincereWei 10 §59Wei 10 §51
NChose Kong Rong as envoy and Xu Huang as the general to intercept Han Meng, both hitting the markCh. 23 §6Ch. 30 §17
RNo direct record — estimated from his career as a civil officialWei 10 §64
NNo direct record — estimated from his career as a strategistCh. 30 §4
RAssessment: scarcely a plan overlooked, second to Zhang Liang and Chen Ping; twelve extraordinary stratagemsWei 10 §91Wei 10 §63Wei 10 §65
NUsed the baggage train as bait to defeat Wen Chou, and Cao Cao said only Gongda knew his mindCh. 26 §8Ch. 26 §18Ch. 30 §52
RPlotted to remove Dong Zhuo and never boasted of his merits, and was praised for his virtueWei 10 §52Wei 10 §64Wei 14 §158
NOpposed Cao Cao becoming King of Wei as contrary to right, and died of indignationCh. 66 §33
RNo direct record — estimated from his being called a renowned scholarWei 10 §52
NInterpreted the bronze sparrow with the story of Shun's motherCh. 34 §1
RPersuaded the suspicious Cao Hong to accept Zhang He's surrenderWei 10 §60
NRecommended Kong Rong as envoy and proposed sending a proclamation to Sun QuanCh. 23 §6Ch. 42 §27
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