RSucceeded Fa Zheng as Director of the Imperial Secretariat and drew up the Shu Code with Zhuge Liang and othersShu 9 §10Shu 8 §33
NNo direct record — estimated from his officeCh. 65 §46
| Occupation | ROfficial · Director of the Imperial Secretariat NOfficial · General of the Left | Faction | Shu |
|---|---|---|---|
| Appears | RN | Biography in | Book of Shu |
| Born | R? Unverified | Native place | Lingling Commandery Zhengyang County |
| Died | R222 Unverified | Place of death | |
| Existence | Historical | Mentions | R17 |
Liu Ba, courtesy name Zichu, was a man of Zhengyang County in Lingling Commandery. He did not answer the summons of Liu Biao, Governor of Jing Province, and when Cao Cao attacked Jing Province he went north to Cao Cao and became one of his clerks. He was charged with a mission to win over Changsha, Lingling and Guiyang, but when Liu Bei seized the three commanderies he could not return, and went to Jiaozhi and then came to Shu. Records, Shu 9 §8–9
After Liu Bei pacified Yi Province, Liu Ba became Clerk of the Western Bureau under the General of the Left, and when Liu Bei became King of Hanzhong he became a Master of Writing, and later succeeded Fa Zheng as Director of the Imperial Secretariat. The documents and edicts issued when Liu Bei took the imperial title were all composed by him, and he died in the 2nd year of Zhangwu (222). Records, Shu 9 §9–11
Chen Shou, the author of the Records, said in his assessment, 'Liu Ba kept to an integrity that was pure and lofty.' In the Romance he first appears in Chapter 62 as a man of Zhengyang in Lingling who advises Liu Zhang not to give troops and provisions to Liu Bei, and appears in 2 of its 120 chapters; there is no chapter with his name in the title. In Chapter 65 he shuts his doors with Huang Quan and does not come out until Liu Bei comes in person to ask him. Records, Shu 9 §45Romance, Ch. 62 §6Romance, Ch. 65 §44
Liu Ba, courtesy name Zichu, was a man of Zhengyang County in Lingling Commandery. He was known from his youth, and Liu Biao, Governor of Jing Province, summoned him several times and also recommended him as Abundant Talent, but he did not take up any of these. Records, Shu 9 §8
When Liu Biao died and Cao Cao attacked Jing Province, Liu Bei fled south of the Yangtze, and the scholars of Jing and Chu followed Liu Bei like clouds, but Liu Ba went north to Cao Cao. Cao Cao summoned him as a clerk and had him win over Changsha, Lingling and Guiyang. Just then Liu Bei attacked and took the three commanderies, so Liu Ba could not complete his mission and return, and went far away to Jiaozhi, which Liu Bei deeply regretted. Records, Shu 9 §8
Liu Ba then came from Jiaozhi to Shu. Soon afterward Liu Bei pacified Yi Province, and Liu Ba apologized for his past offenses, but Liu Bei did not reproach him. When Zhuge Liang praised and recommended him several times, Liu Bei summoned him and made him Clerk of the Western Bureau under the General of the Left. The Biography of the First Sovereign records that Liu Bei placed in high positions men whom Liu Zhang had employed, such as Dong He, Huang Quan and Li Yan, and also Liu Ba, whom he had long resented, and let them make full use of their talents. Records, Shu 9 §9Records, Shu 2 §33–34
In the 24th year of Jian'an (219), when Liu Bei became King of Hanzhong, Liu Ba became a Master of Writing, and later succeeded Fa Zheng as Director of the Imperial Secretariat. He personally practiced integrity and frugality and did not build up property. Also, because he had not been an adherent from the beginning, he feared being suspected and disliked, so he kept to respectful silence and quiet, had no private associations when away from office, and did not speak except on public business. Records, Shu 9 §10
When Liu Bei took the imperial title and solemnly announced it to the Supreme Lord of August Heaven and the spirits of Sovereign Earth, all the documents, proclamations and edicts were composed by Liu Ba. According to Yi Ji's biography, Yi Ji drew up the Shu Code together with Zhuge Liang, Fa Zheng, Liu Ba and Li Yan, and the institutions of the Shu Code came from these five men. Yang Yi's biography records that when Liu Bei took the imperial title and went east to attack Wu, Yang Yi was on bad terms with Liu Ba, Director of the Imperial Secretariat, and was demoted. Records, Shu 9 §10Records, Shu 8 §33Records, Shu 10 §68
According to Ma Zhong's biography, after Liu Bei was badly defeated at Xiaoting and returned to Yong'an, he met and talked with Ma Zhong, who had come leading troops, and said to Liu Ba, Director of the Imperial Secretariat, 'Though I have lost Huang Quan, I have gained Hu Du in his place; this shows that the world does not lack worthy men.' Records, Shu 13 §29
Liu Ba died in the 2nd year of Zhangwu (222). After his death, Chen Qun, Deputy Director of the Imperial Secretariat of Wei, wrote to the Chancellor Zhuge Liang asking for news of Liu Ba and referring to him as 'Lord Liu Zichu', and Chen Shou wrote that Chen Qun respected and esteemed him greatly. Records, Shu 9 §11
The Eulogies on the Supporting Ministers of Ji Han, written by Yang Xi in the 4th year of Yanxi (241), praised the Master of Writing Liu Ba as 'pure and lofty, careful in conduct and upright in person, holding his purpose high and keeping to righteousness, savoring and reading the classics and texts'. In his assessment Chen Shou said, 'Liu Ba kept to an integrity that was pure and lofty,' and counted him, together with Dong He, Ma Liang, Chen Zhen and Dong Yun, among the finest ministers of Shu. Records, Shu 15 §33 · 48Records, Shu 9 §45
In Chapter 62 of the Romance, Liu Bei sends a man to Liu Zhang asking for thirty or forty thousand picked troops and 100,000 hu of grain. Although Yang Huai says that Liu Bei is winning the hearts of the people and must not be given them, Liu Zhang cites the bond between brothers, whereupon a man steps forward and says, 'Liu Bei is a ferocious hero; keeping him long in Shu without sending him back is letting a tiger into the house,' adding that helping him further with troops and provisions would be no different from giving wings to a tiger. The Romance introduces him as a man of Zhengyang in Lingling, surnamed Liu, named Ba, with the courtesy name Zichu. Romance, Ch. 62 §4–6
Liu Zhang hesitates on hearing Liu Ba's words and cannot decide, and when Huang Quan again earnestly remonstrates, he sends only 4,000 old and weak soldiers and 10,000 hu of rice. On receiving the reply, Liu Bei is furious and tears up the letter. Romance, Ch. 62 §7–8
In Chapter 65, when Liu Bei's troops surround Chengdu, Qiao Zhou cites the signs in the heavens and a children's song to say that the Way of Heaven cannot be defied. Huang Quan and Liu Ba are enraged on hearing this and want to behead him, but Liu Zhang stops them. Romance, Ch. 65 §41
When Liu Zhang surrenders and Liu Bei enters Chengdu, the officials bow below the hall, but Huang Quan and Liu Ba alone shut their doors and do not come out. When the generals, angered, want to kill them, Liu Bei orders that anyone who harms these two men will have his three sets of kin exterminated, and goes to their homes in person to ask them to take office. Moved by his kindness and courtesy, the two come out. After becoming Governor of Yi Province, Liu Bei fixes the titles and ranks of the officials who have surrendered and makes Liu Ba General of the Left. Romance, Ch. 65 §43–44 · 46
Going to Cao Cao: In the Records, when Liu Bei fled south of the Yangtze, Liu Ba went north to Cao Cao and became one of his clerks, and he was trying to win over Changsha, Lingling and Guiyang when Liu Bei took the three commanderies, so he went to Jiaozhi and then came to Shu. The Romance has none of this, and Liu Ba first appears in Chapter 62 as a retainer of Liu Zhang. Records, Shu 9 §8–9Romance, Ch. 62 §6
Remonstrating with Liu Zhang: In Chapter 62 of the Romance, Liu Ba advises Liu Zhang not to give troops and provisions to Liu Bei, and in Chapter 65 he wants to behead Qiao Zhou. Liu Ba's biography in Chen Shou's main text records only that he came from Jiaozhi to Shu, and says nothing of what he did under Liu Zhang. Romance, Ch. 62 §6Romance, Ch. 65 §41Records, Shu 9 §8–11
After the fall of Chengdu: In Chapter 65 of the Romance, Liu Ba shuts his doors with Huang Quan and does not come out until Liu Bei visits his home in person and asks him. In the Records, when Liu Bei pacified Yi Province, Liu Ba apologized for his past offenses and Liu Bei did not reproach him, and Liu Bei summoned him only after Zhuge Liang had recommended him several times. Romance, Ch. 65 §44Records, Shu 9 §9
Liu Bei's feelings: In Chapter 65 of the Romance, Liu Bei orders that anyone who harms Liu Ba will have his three sets of kin exterminated. In the Records, Liu Bei deeply regretted Liu Ba's going to Cao Cao and then to Jiaozhi, and the Biography of the First Sovereign describes Liu Ba as a man Liu Bei had long resented. Romance, Ch. 65 §44Records, Shu 9 §8Records, Shu 2 §34
Office: In Chapter 65 of the Romance, after becoming Governor of Yi Province, Liu Bei makes Liu Ba General of the Left. In the Records, Liu Ba became Clerk of the Western Bureau under the General of the Left, and when Liu Bei became King of Hanzhong in the 24th year of Jian'an (219), he became a Master of Writing and later succeeded Fa Zheng as Director of the Imperial Secretariat. Romance, Ch. 65 §46Records, Shu 9 §9–10
The work of the Director of the Imperial Secretariat: In the Records, Liu Ba composed all the documents, proclamations and edicts when Liu Bei took the imperial title, and drew up the Shu Code together with Yi Ji, Zhuge Liang and others. Chapters 62 and 65 of the Romance, in which Liu Ba appears, contain none of this, and his death does not appear either. The Records states that he died in the 2nd year of Zhangwu (222). Records, Shu 9 §10–11Records, Shu 8 §33Romance, Ch. 62 §6Romance, Ch. 65 §46
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RSucceeded Fa Zheng as Director of the Imperial Secretariat and drew up the Shu Code with Zhuge Liang and othersShu 9 §10Shu 8 §33
NNo direct record — estimated from his officeCh. 65 §46
RKnown from youth and summoned repeatedly by Liu Biao; Chen Qun respected himShu 9 §8Shu 9 §11
NNo direct record — estimated from his careerCh. 65 §44
RPure and frugal, he did not build up property; assessment: an integrity pure and loftyShu 9 §10Shu 9 §45
NLoyal to Liu Zhang to the end, he shut his doors and would not come outCh. 65 §44Ch. 65 §41
RWent to Cao Cao and wandered to Jiaozhi; later cut off private associations to avoid suspicionShu 9 §8Shu 9 §10
NMoved by Liu Bei's courtesy, came out and took officeCh. 65 §44
Records Romance Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)
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