Lu Su 魯肅

RecordsRomance Wu Courtesy name 子敬 Zijing魯粛노숙자경鲁肃

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OccupationRGeneral · General Who Spans the River NGeneral · Chief CommanderFactionWu
AppearsRNBiography inBook of Wu
BornR172 UnverifiedNative placeXiapi Commandery Dongcheng County
DiedR217 UnverifiedPlace of death
ExistenceHistoricalMentionsR69

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Lu Su, courtesy name Zijing, was a native of Dongcheng County in Linhuai Commandery. He gave away his wealth to help the destitute, became a friend of Zhou Yu, and on Zhou Yu's recommendation entered the service of Sun Quan. Records, Wu 9 §32–33 · 35–37

At his first meeting with Sun Quan he urged him to hold Jiangdong like one leg of a tripod and plan for the whole realm, and in the 13th year of Jian'an (208), when Cao Cao took Jing Province and came south, he argued for joining hands with Liu Bei to fight back. After Zhou Yu died he took over Zhou Yu's troops and was stationed at Lukou facing Guan Yu, and he died in the 22nd year of Jian'an (217) at the age of forty-six. Records, Wu 9 §38 · 40–44 · 48 · 50 · 53

In his assessment, Chen Shou called him, together with Zhou Yu, a rare talent who rose above the crowd with the clear insight to decide alone. In the Romance he first appeared in Chapter 29 on Zhou Yu's recommendation and was named in 23 of its 120 chapters; as in the title of Chapter 43, "Lu Zijing Forcefully Overrides the Majority View," he was a figure who stood against the case for surrender, and, in the words of Chapter 56, he was portrayed as "a magnanimous and kindly gentleman." Records, Wu 9 §95Romance, Ch. 29 §41Romance, Ch. 43 §5–6Romance, Ch. 56 §35

In the Records

His father died just after he was born, and he lived with his grandmother. His family was wealthy, but when the realm fell into disorder he gave away his wealth on a large scale and sold off his fields and land to relieve the destitute and form ties with men of quality, greatly winning the hearts of the people of his district. When Zhou Yu, then Chief of Juchao, came to him with several hundred men and asked for supplies and grain, Lu Su pointed to one of his two granaries, each holding 3,000 hu of rice, and handed it over whole; from this the two became close friends. Records, Wu 9 §32–33

Yuan Shu, hearing of his name, made him Chief of Dongcheng, but Lu Su judged that Yuan Shu lacked order and discipline and was not fit to undertake anything with, so he led a hundred or so followers to Zhou Yu at Juchao. He crossed the Yangtze with Zhou Yu and left his family at Qu'e. After returning from burying his grandmother, he was about to go over to the band at Chao Lake at the urging of his friend Liu Ziyang, but Zhou Yu, who had already moved Lu Su's mother to Wu, held him back, citing Ma Yuan's saying that in the present age it is not only the ruler who chooses his subjects, but the subjects who choose their ruler. He then recommended Lu Su to Sun Quan. Records, Wu 9 §33–36

Sun Quan was delighted to meet Lu Su, and after the guests withdrew he called him back alone, drank with him with their couches drawn together, and asked how he would assist him. Lu Su said that the Han house could not be restored and Cao Cao could not be quickly removed, so Sun Quan should hold Jiangdong like one leg of a tripod and, taking advantage of the many troubles in the north, destroy Huang Zu, attack Liu Biao, and take everything to the farthest reaches of the Yangtze, then proclaim an imperial title and plan for the whole realm. Sun Quan replied that he was exerting himself only in the hope of supporting the Han, and that such words were beyond his reach. Zhang Zhao often disparaged Lu Su as young and careless, but Sun Quan valued him all the more and bestowed clothing, curtains and other gifts on his mother. Records, Wu 9 §37–39

In the 13th year of Jian'an (208), when Liu Biao died, Lu Su argued that the land of Jing and Chu was the foundation of an emperor and that Liu Biao's two sons were at odds, and asked to go there on the pretext of offering condolences and persuade Liu Bei to join in attacking Cao Cao. On reaching Xiakou he heard that Cao Cao was already heading for Jing Province and hurried on day and night, but by the time he reached Nan Commandery, Liu Cong had already surrendered and Liu Bei was fleeing south. Lu Su went straight to meet him, met Liu Bei at Changban in Dangyang, conveyed Sun Quan's intentions, and urged him to join forces. At this time he struck up a friendship with Zhuge Liang, who was accompanying Liu Bei, saying, "I am a friend of Ziyu," and when Liu Bei reached Xiakou he sent Zhuge Liang to Sun Quan. Records, Wu 9 §40–42Records, Wu 2 §12

When news came that Cao Cao meant to move east, the generals all advised welcoming him, and Lu Su alone said nothing. When Sun Quan rose to change his clothes, Lu Su followed him out under the eaves and said that if he himself welcomed Cao Cao, he would be sent back to his home district and, as his offices accumulated, would still become head of a province or commandery, but if Sun Quan welcomed Cao Cao, where would he go? He urged him to settle on a grand plan early. Sun Quan sighed and said that it was Heaven that had granted Lu Su to him. Lu Su advised recalling Zhou Yu, who had gone to Poyang, and Sun Quan entrusted the affair to Zhou Yu and made Lu Su Colonel Assisting the Army (zanjun xiaowei) to help draw up the strategy. Records, Wu 9 §43–45

After Cao Cao was defeated and fled, Lu Su returned first, and Sun Quan assembled his generals in force to receive him, asking whether holding his saddle and dismounting to welcome him was enough to honor him. Lu Su answered, "Not yet," to everyone's astonishment, and went on to say that only when the Supreme One's majesty and virtue reached the four seas and he had achieved the imperial enterprise, and then summoned Lu Su in a comfortable carriage, would he truly be honored. Sun Quan clapped his hands and laughed with delight. Records, Wu 9 §45–46

Later, when Liu Bei came to the city of Jing to meet Sun Quan and asked to be given command of Jing Province, Lu Su alone advised lending him the land so that they could resist Cao Cao together. Hearing that Sun Quan had given Liu Bei land as his base, Cao Cao dropped the brush with which he was writing. Concerning Pang Tong, who had been dismissed as Magistrate of Leiyang, Lu Su wrote to Liu Bei that he was not a talent fit merely to govern a county of a hundred li. Records, Wu 9 §47Records, Shu 7 §6

When Zhou Yu, gravely ill, memorialized that Lu Su was fit to replace him, Sun Quan made Lu Su Colonel of Vigorous Might (fenwu xiaowei) and placed under him Zhou Yu's more than 4,000 soldiers and his fief of four counties. Lu Su was first stationed at Jiangling and then moved down to garrison Lukou, where his authority and kindness prevailed widely and his following grew to over 10,000; he was made Administrator of Hanchang and Lieutenant General (pian jiangjun). On his way to Lukou he visited Lü Meng, whom he still held in low regard, and on hearing Lü Meng's five plans for guarding against Guan Yu, he patted him on the back, saying he had not known his talent and strategy reached so far, then paid his respects to Lü Meng's mother and became his friend. Records, Wu 9 §47–48 · 63–64Records, Wu 2 §16

In the 19th year of Jian'an (214) he followed Sun Quan in breaking Wancheng and was made General Who Spans the River (hengjiang jiangjun). Earlier, when Sun Quan had wanted to take Shu, Liu Bei had stopped him on the grounds that he and Liu Zhang were of the same imperial clan, but later he himself went west to move against Liu Zhang, leaving Guan Yu behind to hold his ground. Once Lu Su shared a border with Guan Yu, suspicions arose repeatedly and border disputes became tangled, but Lu Su always calmed them through friendship. Records, Wu 9 §48–50

Even after Liu Bei had pacified Yi Province he would not hand over Changsha, Lingling and Guiyang, so Sun Quan sent Lü Meng to seize them, and Liu Bei sent Guan Yu to contest the three commanderies. Lu Su stayed at Yiyang facing Guan Yu; when Guan Yu sent 5,000 picked troops to a shallow ford upstream intending to cross at night, Lu Su gave Gan Ning, who volunteered to stop them, an additional thousand men, and Guan Yu did not cross. Lu Su invited Guan Yu to a meeting, and with both sides' troops and horses kept a hundred paces away, the generals met, each carrying only a single sword. Lu Su rebuked Guan Yu, saying the land had been lent because his side had lost in battle and had no base, yet now that they had obtained Yi Province they would not even hand over the three commanderies. When a man present said that land belongs only to those with virtue, Lu Su sternly rebuked him, and Guan Yu took up his sword, rose, and sent the man away, saying this was a matter of state. Liu Bei finally divided the territory with the Xiang River as the boundary. Records, Wu 9 §50–52Records, Wu 10 §59–60

Lu Su died in the 22nd year of Jian'an (217) at the age of forty-six. Sun Quan held mourning rites for him and attended his funeral in person, and Zhuge Liang also mourned him. Later, when Sun Quan ascended the imperial throne, he stood on the altar and said to his ministers that Lu Zijing had once spoken of this, and could be called clear-sighted about the course of events. Records, Wu 9 §53

In his assessment, Chen Shou wrote that when Lord Cao swept through Jing Province and cast his eyes eastward, those in council all wavered with doubt, but Zhou Yu and Lu Su established the clear insight to decide alone and rose above the crowd; they were truly rare talents. Sun Quan's appraisal, which Chen Shou included as fitting, counted Lu Su's speaking of the imperial enterprise and his having Zhou Yu summoned to strike back at Cao Cao as two delights, and his urging that land be lent to Liu Bei as merely a single shortcoming. It also said that when he commanded troops his orders were carried out and his prohibitions obeyed, so that no one picked up things dropped on the road. Records, Wu 9 §95 · 90–93

In the Romance

In Chapter 29 of the Romance, Zhou Yu recommended Lu Su to Sun Quan, introducing him as a man who had lost his father young, served his mother with the utmost devotion, and given away an entire granary. When Zhou Yu went in person to bring him, Sun Quan lay down with him on the same couch, feet touching, and asked for his plans; when Lu Su told him to hold Jiangdong like one leg of a tripod and plan for the whole realm, Sun Quan was overjoyed, threw on his robe, rose, and thanked him. Romance, Ch. 29 §41–42 · 44–47

In Chapter 42, on the pretext of offering condolences for Liu Biao, he went to Jiangxia and met Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang, and in Chapter 43 he returned bringing Kongming with him. When Sun Quan rose to change his clothes, Lu Su followed him and said that everyone else could surrender to Cao Cao, but not Sun Quan himself. Romance, Ch. 42 §29–30 · 32–39Romance, Ch. 43 §1 · 5–7

Ahead of Red Cliffs he went back and forth between Zhou Yu and Kongming, dissuaded Zhou Yu from killing Kongming, and, at the request of Kongming, who had promised to produce 100,000 arrows within three days, lent him boats while hiding this from Zhou Yu. Romance, Ch. 44 §36Romance, Ch. 46 §9–10

In Chapter 52 he went to ask for the return of Jing Province, but on seeing the ailing Liu Qi he came back with only a promise that it would be returned once the young lord was gone. In Chapter 54, when Liu Qi died, he went again, but, blocked by Kongming's arguments, signed as guarantor a document from Liu Bei promising to return it once he had taken Xichuan. Zhou Yu stamped his feet, saying Lu Su had fallen for Zhuge Liang's scheme, yet still said he would save him, calling him the benefactor who had given him a granary. In Chapter 56 he went once more, and on seeing Liu Bei weep, being a magnanimous and kindly gentleman, he had no choice but to agree. Romance, Ch. 52 §5–8Romance, Ch. 54 §1–11Romance, Ch. 56 §35

In Chapter 57 Zhou Yu recommended Lu Su as his successor in his last letter, and Sun Quan made him Chief Commander (dudu). Lu Su recommended Pang Tong to Sun Quan, but when Sun Quan, put off by his looks, would not employ him, Lu Su asked Pang Tong to assist Liu Bei and bring the two houses to join forces, and wrote him a letter of recommendation. Romance, Ch. 57 §8 · 10 · 20–25

In Chapter 66, rebuked by Sun Quan for failing to recover Jing Province, he devised a plan to invite Guan Yu to a banquet at Lukou, win him over with fair words, and, if he would not comply, have hidden swordsmen and axemen kill him. Guan Yu crossed over in a small boat and talked with perfect composure; when Zhou Cang shouted, "The lands of the realm belong only to those with virtue," Guan Yu took up his blade, seized Lu Su by the hand, dragged him to the riverbank, and boarded his boat. Lu Su, stunned, could only watch the departing boat. In Chapter 69, news reached Cao Cao that Lu Su, the commander at Lukou, had died. Romance, Ch. 66 §14 · 21–28Romance, Ch. 69 §22

Where the Romance differs

First conversation with Sun Quan: In Chapter 29 of the Romance, Sun Quan lay on the same couch as Lu Su, heard his plan, was overjoyed, threw on his robe, rose and thanked him. In the Records, he listened while they drank with their couches drawn together, and Sun Quan answered that he was exerting himself only to support the Han and that such words were beyond his reach. Romance, Ch. 29 §45–47Records, Wu 9 §37–39

His upbringing: Chapter 29 of the Romance says Lu Su lost his father young and served his mother with the utmost devotion. In the Records, his father died just after he was born and he lived with his grandmother. Romance, Ch. 29 §42Records, Wu 9 §32

Where he met Liu Bei: In Chapter 42 of the Romance, Lu Su went to Jiangxia on the pretext of offering condolences and met Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang. In the Records, hearing at Nan Commandery of Liu Cong's surrender, he went straight to meet Liu Bei and met him at Changban in Dangyang. Romance, Ch. 42 §30 · 32Records, Wu 9 §42

Who summoned Zhou Yu: In Chapter 44 of the Romance, Dowager Wu, citing Sun Ce's last words, had Sun Quan summon Zhou Yu. In Lu Su's biography in the Records, it was Lu Su who advised recalling Zhou Yu, who had gone to Poyang. Romance, Ch. 44 §1Records, Wu 9 §45

Lending Jing Province: In Chapters 52 and 54 of the Romance, Lu Su went to recover Jing Province but, blocked by Kongming's arguments, signed as guarantor a document promising its return once Xichuan was taken. In the Records, when Liu Bei came to the city of Jing and asked to be given command of Jing Province, Lu Su alone urged Sun Quan to lend him the land so that they could resist Cao Cao together. Romance, Ch. 52 §4–5Romance, Ch. 54 §7–8Records, Wu 9 §47

Recommending Pang Tong: In Chapter 57 of the Romance, Lu Su first recommended Pang Tong to Sun Quan and, when he was not accepted, wrote him a letter telling him to go to Liu Bei. In Pang Tong's biography in the Records, Lu Su's letter was sent to Liu Bei after Pang Tong had already served under Liu Bei as Magistrate of Leiyang and been dismissed. Romance, Ch. 57 §20–25Records, Shu 7 §6

The meeting with Guan Yu: In Chapter 66 of the Romance, Lu Su invited Guan Yu to a banquet at Lukou and hid swordsmen and axemen, but was seized by the hand and dragged off by Guan Yu, powerless to do anything. In the Records, Lu Su, facing Guan Yu at Yiyang, invited him to a meeting, and both sides met with their troops and horses kept a hundred paces away; Lu Su rebuked Guan Yu, and Liu Bei made the Xiang River the boundary and withdrew his troops. Romance, Ch. 66 §14 · 26–28Records, Wu 9 §50–52

"Land belongs to those with virtue": In Chapter 66 of the Romance, the one who shouted these words was Guan Yu's subordinate Zhou Cang, while Lu Su, even as he offered wine, dared not look Guan Yu in the face. In the Records, when an unnamed man among those present said this, Lu Su raised his voice and sternly rebuked him. Romance, Ch. 66 §25 · 22Records, Wu 9 §51

Death: In the Romance, Chapter 69 merely has news reach Cao Cao that Lu Su, the commander at Lukou, had died. In the Records, he died in the 22nd year of Jian'an (217) at the age of forty-six; Sun Quan mourned him and attended his funeral, and Zhuge Liang also mourned him. Romance, Ch. 69 §22Records, Wu 9 §53

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Abilities

The Records score (Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms, main text) is the baseline. Each ability compares how the Romance redrew the same person, and the evidence from both sources explains the difference.

LEASTRINTPOLCHAVIRADPSCHDIPDIS
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  • LEA6855−13
  • STR3538+3
  • INT9074−16
  • POL7048−22
  • CHA8074−6
  • VIR7686+10
  • ADP8668−18
  • SCH4240−2
  • DIP8872−16
  • DIS7078+8
Records · Romance scores and difference (Romance − Records · left = lowered by the Romance · right = raised)

Abilities shaped by the Romance — where it differs from the Records Differences of 10 or more

PoliticsR70N48Unverified −22

RSaid to have left no duty neglected in his jurisdiction, and no one picked up things dropped on the roadWu 9 §93

NNo direct record — estimated from his role commanding the army as Chief CommanderCh. 57 §8

AdaptabilityR86N68 −18

RWhen all spoke for welcoming Cao Cao, he established the clear insight to decide aloneWu 9 §95Wu 9 §43Wu 9 §33

NBrought Sun Quan to resolve against surrender, but lost his wits before Guan YuCh. 43 §5Ch. 66 §28

IntelligenceR90N74 −16

RAt their first meeting set out a tripod stance in Jiangdong and the imperial enterprise, but had no plan against Guan YuWu 9 §38Wu 9 §53Wu 9 §63

NProposed the tripod strategy for Jiangdong, but fell for Zhuge Liang's ruse over the Jing Province documentCh. 29 §46Ch. 54 §9Ch. 66 §30

LeadershipR68N55 −13

RTook over Zhou Yu's troops and grew them to over 10,000; his orders and prohibitions were strictly keptWu 9 §48Wu 9 §93Wu 9 §50

NSucceeded Zhou Yu as Chief Commander, but his plan fell through at the single-sword meetingCh. 57 §8Ch. 66 §27

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  • StrengthR35UnverifiedN38Unverified +3

    RNo direct record — estimated from the absence of any record of personal prowess beyond the single-sword meetingWu 9 §50

    NNo direct record — estimated from the description that he liked swordplay and ridingCh. 29 §42

  • CharismaR80N74 −6

    RGave away his wealth and greatly won his district's hearts; over a hundred young men followed himWu 9 §32Wu 9 §33Wu 9 §48

    NDescribed as a magnanimous and kindly gentleman with the bearing of a virtuous elderCh. 56 §35Ch. 66 §18

  • ScholarshipR42UnverifiedN40Unverified −2

    RNo direct record — estimated from records of his discourse as a guestWu 9 §37

    NNo direct record — estimated from the recommendation describing him as versed in strategyCh. 29 §42

  • DiscernmentR70N78 +8

    RRecommended Pang Tong as fit for Headquarters or Attendant Officer, but at first held Lü Meng in low regardShu 7 §6Wu 9 §64Wu 9 §63

    NRecommended Zhuge Jin and repeatedly recommended Pang Tong to Sun QuanCh. 29 §48Ch. 57 §20

Records Romance Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)

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Allegiance history

  1. Wu · Records · Records vol. 54 「十九年,從權破皖城,轉橫江將軍」

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