Xun Yu 荀彧

RecordsRomance Wei Courtesy name 文若 Wenruo순욱문약

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OccupationRStrategist · Director of the Imperial Secretariat NStrategist · Palace AttendantFactionWei
AppearsRNBiography inBook of Wei
BornR163 N(same) UnverifiedNative placeYingchuan Commandery Yingyin County
DiedR212 N(same) UnverifiedPlace of deathRNShouchun County
Cause of deathNSuicide Unverified
ExistenceHistoricalMentionsR84

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Xun Yu, courtesy name Wenruo, was a native of Yingyin County in Yingchuan Commandery. In the 2nd year of Chuping (191) he left Yuan Shao and went to Cao Cao, who called him "my Zifang" and made him his Major (sima). In the 1st year of Jian'an (196) he urged Cao Cao to receive the Son of Heaven and make Xu the capital, and as Palace Attendant (shizhong) acting as Director of the Imperial Secretariat (shangshu ling), he helped plan military and state affairs while Cao Cao fought in the field. Records, Wei 10 §2 · 4 · 13 · 15

In the 17th year of Jian'an (212) he opposed the proposal to raise Cao Cao to the rank of duke and grant him the Nine Bestowments, which left Cao Cao displeased. On the campaign against Sun Quan he stayed behind at Shouchun because of illness and died in distress, at the age of fifty. Records, Wei 10 §42–43

In his assessment, Chen Shou described him as pure and outstanding, broadly versed and refined, with "the bearing of one who assists a king," yet wrote that although he had the insight to foresee what was to come, he was unable to fulfill his aims. In the Romance he first appeared in Chapter 10 and featured in 25 of its 120 chapters, and in Chapter 61, on receiving an empty box sent by Cao Cao, he took poison and died. Records, Wei 10 §90Romance, Ch. 10 §20Romance, Ch. 61 §34–35

In the Records

His grandfather Xun Shu, Prefect of Langling, was well known in his day and had eight sons, who were called the Eight Dragons. His father Xun Gun was Chancellor of Jinan, and his uncle Xun Shuang was Minister of Works (sikong). In his youth He Yong of Nanyang called him "a talent to assist a king." In the 1st year of Yonghan (189) he was recommended as Filial and Incorrupt (xiaolian) and became Prefect of the Palace Stores (shougong ling); during Dong Zhuo's upheaval he went out to serve as Prefect of Kangfu, but abandoned his office and returned home. He said that Yingchuan was a land fought over from all four sides and that they should leave at once, but no one followed him, so he alone led his clan to Ji Province. Records, Wei 10 §2–3

By then Yuan Shao had already seized Han Fu's position, and he treated Xun Yu with the courtesy due an honored guest. But Xun Yu judged that Yuan Shao would never accomplish great things, and in the 2nd year of Chuping (191) he followed Cao Cao, then General of Vehement Might (fenwu jiangjun) in Dong Commandery. Cao Cao was overjoyed, called him "my Zifang," and made him his Major; he was twenty-nine at the time. Even after Cao Cao took up the post of Governor of Yan Province, Xun Yu always followed him as Major. Records, Wei 10 §4–5

In the 1st year of Xingping (194), when Cao Cao went to attack Tao Qian, he left Xun Yu in charge of affairs behind him, but Zhang Miao and Chen Gong rebelled with Yan Province and brought in Lü Bu. Realizing that Zhang Miao had risen in revolt, Xun Yu readied his defenses and summoned Xiahou Dun, Administrator of Dong Commandery, who that very night executed several dozen men plotting rebellion. When Guo Gong, Inspector of Yu Province, arrived with a host of several tens of thousands and asked to meet him, Xun Yu went out, saying that Guo Gong had to be persuaded before his plans were settled. Seeing that Xun Yu showed no sign of fear, Guo Gong concluded that Juancheng could not easily be taken and withdrew. Xun Yu also conferred with Cheng Yu and had him win over Fan and Dong'a, so that the three cities were held intact to await Cao Cao. Records, Wei 10 §5–7

In the 2nd year of Xingping (195), when Tao Qian died, Cao Cao wanted to seize Xu Province first. Xun Yu argued that Yan Province was Cao Cao's base, just as Guanzhong had been for Emperor Gaozu of Han and Henei for Emperor Guangwu, and that if he left Lü Bu alone and went east, he would lose Yan Province without gaining Xu Province either. Cao Cao gave up the plan, gathered in a great harvest of wheat, and then fought Lü Bu and pacified Yan Province. Records, Wei 10 §8–12

In the 1st year of Jian'an (196), when Emperor Xian (Liu Xie) returned to Luoyang, some held that Han Xian and Yang Feng, who had the Son of Heaven in their keeping, could not easily be subdued, but Xun Yu cited the examples of Duke Wen of Jin and Emperor Gaozu of Han and urged Cao Cao to receive the Son of Heaven, saying that to uphold the sovereign and follow the people's hopes was the great course in accord with right. When Cao Cao received the Son of Heaven and made Xu the capital, Xun Yu, as Palace Attendant of the Han, acted as Director of the Imperial Secretariat, and even while Cao Cao was campaigning in the field, all military and state affairs were planned together with him. He recommended Xun You, Zhong Yao, Xi Zhicai, Guo Jia, and others, all of whom proved equal to their posts; only Yan Xiang and Wei Kang later came to ruin. Records, Wei 10 §13–16Records, Wei 14 §32

After Yuan Shao had brought the lands north of the Yellow River (Heshuo) under his control and Cao Cao had been defeated by Zhang Xiu at Wan, Yuan Shao sent an arrogant letter. When Cao Cao said that his strength was no match, Xun Yu compared Yuan Shao and Cao Cao on four counts—magnanimity, strategy, military might, and virtue—and said that Cao Cao prevailed on every one. He also said that only after first taking Lü Bu could Cao Cao make designs on Hebei, that Han Sui, Ma Chao, and the others in Guanzhong should be soothed with kindness and brought to terms of peace, and that affairs in the west should be entrusted to Zhong Yao. Records, Wei 10 §17–27

When Kong Rong cited Tian Feng, Xu You, Shen Pei, Feng Ji, Yan Liang, and Wen Chou to argue that Yuan Shao would be hard to defeat, Xun Yu said that if Xu You's family broke the law, Shen Pei and Feng Ji would be unable to overlook it and Xu You would turn against them, and that Yan Liang and Wen Chou had merely the courage of common men. In the 5th year of Jian'an (200), as provisions ran low at Guandu, Cao Cao wrote to discuss returning to Xu. Xun Yu replied that whichever side withdrew first would see its position collapse, and that now was the time to use an unorthodox stratagem. Cao Cao stayed and beheaded Chunyu Qiong and others, and Xu You's defection, the deaths of Yan Liang and Wen Chou, and the execution of Tian Feng all came about just as Xun Yu had reckoned. Records, Wei 10 §29–32

In the 6th year of Jian'an (201), when Cao Cao wanted to attack Liu Biao, Xun Yu dissuaded him, saying that if Yuan Shao gathered his remaining embers and came out behind him, the great enterprise would be lost. In the 8th year of Jian'an (203) he was enfeoffed as Marquis of Wansui Precinct. In the 9th year of Jian'an (204), after the fall of Ye, when Cao Cao was about to follow a proposal to restore the nine provinces of the ancient system, Xun Yu said that the generals west of the passes would be unsettled and that the matter should be discussed only after the realm was fully at peace, and so put a stop to it. Records, Wei 10 §33 · 35–38

Cao Cao married his daughter to Xun Yu's eldest son, Xun Yun. Xun Yu distributed his salary and gifts among his clan and old friends, so that his household had no wealth left over, and in the 12th year of Jian'an (207) his fief reached a total of 2,000 households. When Cao Cao attacked Liu Biao, Xun Yu advised him to march openly toward Wan and Ye while advancing lightly by byways; Liu Biao died of illness, and when Cao Cao advanced according to this plan, Liu Cong surrendered with Jing Province. Records, Wei 10 §40–41

In the 17th year of Jian'an (212), when Dong Zhao and others privately consulted Xun Yu, saying that Cao Cao ought to be raised to the rank of duke and granted the Nine Bestowments, Xun Yu said that Cao Cao had originally raised a loyal army to set the court aright and should keep to loyalty and self-effacement, for a gentleman cherishes others through virtue. Cao Cao was displeased by this. On the campaign against Sun Quan, Cao Cao had Xun Yu reward the troops at Qiao and then kept him there to take part in the military affairs of the Chancellor. When Cao Cao's army reached Ruxu, Xun Yu stayed behind at Shouchun because of illness and died in distress. He was fifty, and was given the posthumous name Marquis Jing. The following year Cao Cao became Duke of Wei. Records, Wei 10 §42–43

His son Xun Yun succeeded to the marquisate. Cao Pi, while contending for the succession, had humbled himself in courtesy to serve Xun Yu, but after Xun Yu's death, when Xun Yun grew close to Cao Zhi, Cao Pi came to hate Xun Yun deeply. Records, Wei 10 §45

In his assessment, Chen Shou said that Xun Yu was pure and outstanding, broadly versed and refined, with the bearing of one who assists a king. Yet he wrote that although Xun Yu had the insight to discern the first signs of things and foresee what was to come, he was unable to fulfill his aims. Records, Wei 10 §90

In the Romance

In Chapter 10 of the Romance, Xun Yu came to Cao Cao in Yan Province together with his nephew Xun You. Cao Cao welcomed him, a former follower of Yuan Shao, as "my Zifang" and made him Army Major (xingjun sima), and Xun Yu recommended Cheng Yu of Dong'a. When Cheng Yu in turn recommended Guo Jia, a man from Xun Yu's home district, Xun Yu exclaimed, "I almost forgot!" and told Cao Cao, who had Guo Jia summoned. In Chapter 11, when Lü Bu launched a surprise attack on Yan Province, only three places—Juancheng, Dong'a, and Fan County—remained intact thanks to the plans of Xun Yu and Cheng Yu. Romance, Ch. 10 §20–22Romance, Ch. 11 §36

In Chapter 12, when Cao Cao wanted to attack Xu Province, Xun Yu dissuaded him with the analogy of Guanzhong and Henei, and urged him instead to attack He Yi and other remnants of the Yellow Turbans and feed the army with their grain. In Chapter 14 he urged Cao Cao to receive the Son of Heaven, interpreting that the Han ruled by the virtue of Fire, that Cao Cao's destiny was of Earth, and that since Xudu belonged to Earth, Cao Cao would prosper if he went there. He then put forward, one after another, the "Two Tigers Competing for Food" plan to set Liu Bei and Lü Bu against each other, and the "Drive the Tiger to Swallow the Wolf" plan to incite Yuan Shu to attack Liu Bei. In Chapter 16 he urged Cao Cao to deal with Liu Bei early because he was a hero, but Cao Cao followed Guo Jia's advice and recommended Liu Bei as Governor of Yu Province. Romance, Ch. 12 §21–23Romance, Ch. 14 §5–6 · 24–25 · 37 · 43–44Romance, Ch. 16 §38–39

In Chapter 18, when Yuan Shao sent an arrogant letter, Guo Jia set out ten points on which Cao Cao would prevail, and Xun Yu said that these words matched his own view exactly. In Chapter 22 he rebutted Kong Rong, who feared Yuan Shao, by pointing out one by one the weaknesses of the men under Yuan Shao, and Cao Cao laughed, saying, "It all falls within what Xun Wenruo reckoned." In Chapter 23, at the send-off for Mi Heng, he proposed that everyone remain seated, and he stopped those who wanted to kill Mi Heng. Romance, Ch. 18 §16–18Romance, Ch. 22 §30–31Romance, Ch. 23 §20–21

In Chapter 30, when Cao Cao at Guandu wrote to ask whether he should withdraw to Xuchang, Xun Yu replied that this was the great turning point for the realm and that he must not miss the moment to use an unorthodox stratagem; Cao Cao, overjoyed, had his officers and men hold their ground to the death. In Chapter 31 he sent urgent word from Xudu that Liu Bei was coming to attack Xuchang. In Chapter 40, when Cao Cao wanted to kill Zhi Xi, who had thrown himself on Kong Rong's corpse and wept, Xun Yu dissuaded him, calling Zhi Xi a righteous man, and in Chapter 60 he remonstrated with Cao Cao, who wanted to behead Zhang Song. Romance, Ch. 30 §14–15Romance, Ch. 31 §22Romance, Ch. 40 §9Romance, Ch. 60 §21

In Chapter 61, when Dong Zhao and others proposed to elevate Cao Cao to Duke of Wei and add the Nine Bestowments, Xun Yu, as Palace Attendant, opposed it, saying that Cao Cao had raised a loyal army to set the Han imperial house aright and ought to keep his loyal resolve and his modest, self-effacing integrity, and he lamented, "I never thought I would see such a thing today." Cao Cao harbored a deep grudge against him. When, in the 10th month, in the winter of the 17th year of Jian'an, he was ordered to accompany Cao Cao on his march south to Jiangnan, Xun Yu realized that Cao Cao meant to kill him and stayed at Shouchun on the pretext of illness. Cao Cao sent him a food box sealed in his own hand; when it was opened, it was empty, and Xun Yu, understanding its meaning, took poison and died. He was fifty. Cao Cao, filled with regret, ordered a lavish burial and gave him the posthumous name Marquis Jing. In Chapter 66 Cao Cao flew into a rage at Xun You, who opposed his becoming King of Wei, saying, "Does this man mean to follow Xun Yu's example?" Romance, Ch. 61 §33–36Romance, Ch. 66 §33

Where the Romance differs

Joining Cao Cao: In Chapter 10 of the Romance, after Cao Cao became General Who Guards the East (zhendong jiangjun) in Yan Province, Xun Yu came to him with his nephew Xun You and became Army Major. In the Records, in the 2nd year of Chuping (191), he followed Cao Cao, then General of Vehement Might in Dong Commandery, and became his Major, while Xun You was summoned by letter only after Cao Cao had received the Son of Heaven and made Xu the capital. Romance, Ch. 10 §20–21Records, Wei 10 §4 · 54

Recommending Cheng Yu and Guo Jia: In Chapter 10 of the Romance, Xun Yu recommended Cheng Yu, and Cheng Yu in turn recommended Guo Jia. In the Records, Cao Cao summoned Cheng Yu when he took up his post in Yan Province, and Guo Jia was recommended by Xun Yu after Xi Zhicai died. Romance, Ch. 10 §21–22Records, Wei 14 §8 · 32Records, Wei 10 §16

Why he opposed the Xu Province campaign: In Chapter 12 of the Romance, he said that Liu Bei was already holding Xu Province and that its people would help Liu Bei and fight to the death. In the Records, he said that because Cao Cao had actually carried out stern punishments when attacking Xu Province before, its young men, mindful of the humiliation of their fathers and elder brothers, would have no thought of surrender. Romance, Ch. 12 §22Records, Wei 10 §11

The justification for moving to Xudu: In Chapter 14 of the Romance, Xun Yu interpreted that the Han ruled by the virtue of Fire, that Cao Cao's destiny was of Earth, and that Xudu belonged to Earth, and Cao Cao made up his mind. The Records' Biography of Xun Yu has no such interpretation; there he urged that upholding the Son of Heaven to follow the people's hopes was the great course in accord with right, a great strategy, and a great virtue. Romance, Ch. 14 §24–25Records, Wei 10 §13–15 · 1–43

The advice to deal with Liu Bei: In Chapter 16 of the Romance, Xun Yu urged Cao Cao to deal with Liu Bei early, and Guo Jia dissuaded him. In the Annals of Emperor Wu in the Records, the one who urged dealing early with Liu Bei, who had come after being driven out by Lü Bu, was Cheng Yu, and Cao Cao rejected the advice, saying that this was a time to win over heroes. There is no such advice in the Biography of Xun Yu. Romance, Ch. 16 §38–39Records, Wei 1 §41Records, Wei 10 §1–43

Reasons for victory over Yuan Shao: In Chapter 18 of the Romance, it was Guo Jia who set out ten points of victory in response to Yuan Shao's arrogant letter, and Xun Yu merely agreed with him. In the Records' Biography of Xun Yu, when Cao Cao showed him Yuan Shao's letter, Xun Yu told Cao Cao that he prevailed on four counts: magnanimity, strategy, military might, and virtue. Romance, Ch. 18 §16–18Records, Wei 10 §18–24

Opposing the Nine Bestowments: In Chapter 61 of the Romance, Xun Yu objected when Dong Zhao proposed elevating Cao Cao to Duke of Wei, and lamented, "I never thought I would see such a thing today." The Records say only that Dong Zhao and others privately consulted Xun Yu, that Xun Yu thought it improper, and that Cao Cao was displeased; the lament does not appear in the Biography of Xun Yu. Romance, Ch. 61 §33–34Records, Wei 10 §42 · 1–43

How he came to stay at Shouchun: In Chapter 61 of the Romance, when Cao Cao ordered him to come along, Xun Yu realized that Cao Cao meant to kill him and stayed at Shouchun on the pretext of illness. In the Records, Cao Cao memorialized the throne to have him reward the troops at Qiao and kept him there to take part in the military affairs of the Chancellor, and when Cao Cao's army reached Ruxu, Xun Yu stayed at Shouchun because of illness. Romance, Ch. 61 §34Records, Wei 10 §42–43

His death: In Chapter 61 of the Romance, he received an empty food box sent by Cao Cao, understood its meaning, and took poison and died. The Records' Biography of Xun Yu says only that he died in distress at Shouchun, with no story of an empty box or poison. Romance, Ch. 61 §34–35Records, Wei 10 §43 · 1–43

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Abilities

The Records score (Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms, main text) is the baseline. Each ability compares how the Romance redrew the same person, and the evidence from both sources explains the difference.

LEASTRINTPOLCHAVIRADPSCHDIPDIS
Records (solid) vs Romance (dashed)
  • LEA4845−3
  • STR3232±0
  • INT9388−5
  • POL8875−13
  • CHA7062−8
  • VIR8870−18
  • ADP6650−16
  • SCH5548−7
  • DIP6862−6
  • DIS9280−12
Records · Romance scores and difference (Romance − Records · left = lowered by the Romance · right = raised)

Abilities shaped by the Romance — where it differs from the Records Differences of 10 or more

VirtueR88N70 −18

RShared his salary with his clan and old friends and left no wealth; opposed the Nine BestowmentsWei 10 §40Wei 10 §42

NOpposed the Nine Bestowments and saved Zhi Xi as a righteous man, though he also urged doing away with Liu BeiCh. 61 §33Ch. 40 §9Ch. 16 §38

AdaptabilityR66N50 −16

RLeft Yuan Shao and chose Cao Cao, but died in distress after opposing the Nine BestowmentsWei 10 §4Wei 10 §42

NReceived Cao Cao's empty box and took poison; a poem says he lost his footingCh. 61 §34

PoliticsR88N75 −13

RAs Director of the Imperial Secretariat, kept the court steady; assessment: the bearing of one who assists a kingWei 10 §15Wei 10 §36Wei 10 §90

NAs Palace Attendant and Director of the Imperial Secretariat, coordinated troops from Xudu; urged against an advance in a year of famineCh. 14 §34Ch. 17 §30Ch. 17 §35

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  • LeadershipR48N45 −3

    RDuring the Yan Province revolt, readied defenses at Juancheng and held the three citiesWei 10 §6Wei 10 §7

    NTook charge of defending Juancheng and the other two counties, and XuduCh. 10 §33Ch. 30 §1

  • StrengthR32UnverifiedN32Unverified ±0

    RNo direct record — estimated from his career as a civil official in charge of affairs at courtWei 10 §15

    NNo direct record — estimated from his role as a civil official, Palace Attendant and Director of the Imperial SecretariatCh. 14 §34

  • IntelligenceR93N88 −5

    RHis case for Yan Province as the base and for holding out at Guandu proved right; the assessment credits him with foresight into the first signs of thingsWei 10 §9Wei 10 §31Wei 10 §90

    NDevised the Two Tigers Competing for Food plan and his verdict on Yuan Shao's camp proved right; Cao Cao ranked him above Xiao He and Chen PingCh. 14 §37Ch. 22 §31Ch. 23 §12

  • CharismaR70N62 −8

    RHe Yong called him a talent to assist a king, and even Emperor Wen humbled himself in courtesy to serve himWei 10 §3Wei 10 §45

    NCao Cao welcomed him as "my Zifang"; his talent and brilliance were known throughout the realmCh. 10 §20Ch. 61 §36

  • ScholarshipR55N48Unverified −7

    RThe assessment calls him pure and outstanding, broadly versed and refinedWei 10 §90

    NNo direct record — estimated from the poem saying his talent was known throughout the realmCh. 61 §36

  • DiplomacyR68N62 −6

    RMet Guo Gong and got him to withdraw; set out the weaknesses of Yuan Shao's camp to Kong RongWei 10 §7Wei 10 §29

    NDebated Kong Rong and silenced him with his verdict on Yuan Shao's campCh. 22 §29

Special — talents Records +0 · Romance +10

  • Divination & astronomy

    NSkilled +10 Predicted Liu Bei's raid on the camp from the direction of the wind and the color of the broken bannerCh. 24 §18

Records Romance Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)

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  1. Wei · Records · 「彧度紹終不能成大事,時太祖爲奮武將軍,在東郡,初平二年,彧去紹從太祖。」

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