Zhou Qun 周羣

RecordsRomance Shu Courtesy name 仲直 Zhongzhi周群주군중직

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OccupationROccultist · Colonel of the Forest of ScholarsFactionShu
AppearsRNBiography inBook of Shu
BornNative placeBa Commandery Langzhong County
ExistenceHistoricalMentionsR10

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Zhou Qun, courtesy name Zhongzhi, was a man of Langzhong County in Baxi Commandery. He studied under his father Zhou Shu and devoted himself to the study of watching the vapors of the heavens; Liu Zhang, Governor of Yi Province, summoned him and made him Attendant Officer as Mentor-Friend, and when the First Sovereign (Liu Bei) pacified Shu he became Colonel of the Forest of Scholars. Records, Shu 12 §9–10

When the First Sovereign, intending to contend for Hanzhong, asked his opinion, he answered, 'You will gain the land but not its people, and if you send out a detached force it will surely fare badly.' When Wu Lan, Lei Tong and others entered Wudu and none of them returned, everything had turned out as he said, and he was recommended as Flourishing Talent. Records, Shu 12 §11–12

In his assessment Chen Shou said that he 'divined from the heavens with proven results' and called him, together with Du Qiong, a pure scholar. In the Romance his name appears only in the list of more than sixty surrendered civil and military officials whom Liu Bei promotes after becoming Governor of Yi Province in Chapter 65, so he appears in 1 of its 120 chapters, and his name is in no chapter title. Records, Shu 12 §102Romance, Ch. 65 §46

In the Records

Zhou Qun, courtesy name Zhongzhi, was a man of Langzhong County in Baxi Commandery. His father Zhou Shu, courtesy name Shubu, had in his youth learned the arts of divination from Yang Hou of Guanghan, and his reputation was second only to Dong Fu and Ren An; he was summoned several times but never went. When someone asked what was meant by the saying in the Apocrypha of the Spring and Autumn Annals, 'The one who replaces Han will be Dangtu Gao,' Zhou Shu answered, 'Dangtu Gao is Wei (魏),' and the scholars of his home district passed his words on in private. Records, Shu 12 §9

Zhou Qun studied under Zhou Shu in his youth and devoted himself to the study of observing the signs of the weather and the heavens. He built a small tower in his courtyard, and as his family was rich and had many slaves, he had the slaves take turns on duty on the tower watching for calamities in the sky. Whenever even a single wisp of vapor was seen, they told Zhou Qun at once, and he went up the tower to look for himself, whether at dawn or at night. So whenever there was a change in the vapors there was none he failed to see, and much of what he said came true. Records, Shu 12 §9–10

Liu Zhang, Governor of Yi Province, summoned him and made him Attendant Officer as Mentor-Friend. When the First Sovereign pacified Shu, he appointed him Colonel of the Forest of Scholars. Records, Shu 12 §10

When the First Sovereign, intending to contend with Lord Cao for Hanzhong, asked Zhou Qun, Zhou Qun answered, 'You will gain the land but not its people. If you send out a detached force it will surely fare badly; you must be on your guard and careful!' At that time Zhang Yu of Shu Commandery, Major of the Rear Division of Yi Province, was also versed in divination by signs and was more gifted than Zhou Qun, and he remonstrated that Hanzhong must not be contested and that the army would surely fare badly. The First Sovereign in the end did not use Zhang Yu's advice, and he did indeed gain the land but not the people. Records, Shu 12 §11

According to the Biography of the First Sovereign, in the 23rd year of Jian'an (218) the First Sovereign led his generals toward Hanzhong and sent the generals Wu Lan, Lei Tong and others separately into Wudu, where they were all wiped out by Lord Cao's army. The Biography of Zhou Qun records that since all this was just as Zhou Qun had said, he was recommended as Flourishing Talent. Records, Shu 2 §37Records, Shu 12 §12

Zhang Yu, whose story is recorded in the same biography, was later reported to have told others privately that the fortunes of the Liu house would come to an end, and since he had earlier incurred hatred by mocking the First Sovereign's lack of a beard, he was thrown into prison on the charge that his remonstrance against contesting Hanzhong had not come true. Zhuge Liang submitted a memorial asking that he be pardoned, but the First Sovereign would not grant it, and Zhang Yu was executed in the marketplace. Records, Shu 12 §13–15

When Zhou Qun died, his son Zhou Ju (周巨) inherited a good deal of his arts. Chen Shou's main text does not record the year of Zhou Qun's death. The 'Encomia on the Supporting Ministers of Ji Han,' written by Yang Xi in the 4th year of Yanxi (241), praised Zhou Zhongzhi (Zhou Qun) together with Wang Yuantai, He Yanying and Du Fuguo, saying, 'The Colonel of the Forest of Scholars was versed in astronomy.' Records, Shu 12 §16Records, Shu 15 §33 · 48–49

In the assessment of Records of Shu 12, after likening Du Wei to the integrity of Boyi and the Four Greybeards, Chen Shou said, 'Zhou Qun divined from the heavens with proven results, and Du Qiong was taciturn, cautious and meticulous; both were pure scholars.' Records, Shu 12 §102

In the Romance

In Chapter 65 of the Romance, after Liu Bei takes the post of Governor of Yi Province himself, he richly rewards the surrendered civil and military officials and fixes their titles and ranks. After stating the offices of the notable men, making Yan Yan General of the Front, Fa Zheng Administrator of Shu Commandery, Huang Quan General of the Right and so on, it records that the remaining surrendered civil and military officials, more than sixty in all, including Wu Yi, Fei Guan, Peng Yang, Li Yan, Wu Lan, Lei Tong, Qiao Zhou, Yang Hong, Zhou Qun, Fei Yi and Meng Da, were all promoted and employed. Romance, Ch. 65 §46

In the Romance, Zhou Qun's name appears only in this list, and his divination by signs and his words are not depicted. Romance, Ch. 65 §46

Where the Romance differs

Appointment: In Chapter 65 of the Romance, Zhou Qun is merely named among the more than sixty surrendered officials whom Liu Bei promotes after becoming Governor of Yi Province. In the Records, Liu Zhang summoned him as Attendant Officer as Mentor-Friend, and after the First Sovereign pacified Shu he appointed him Colonel of the Forest of Scholars. Romance, Ch. 65 §46Records, Shu 12 §10

The prophecy about Hanzhong: In the Records, Zhou Qun answered the First Sovereign that he would gain the land of Hanzhong but not its people and that a detached force would fare badly, and when Wu Lan, Lei Tong and others did not return from Wudu he was recommended as Flourishing Talent. In the Romance, Lei Tong is killed by Zhang He in Chapter 70 and Wu Lan by Cao Zhang in Chapter 72, but Zhou Qun's prophecy does not appear. Records, Shu 12 §11–12Romance, Ch. 70 §13Romance, Ch. 72 §24Romance, Ch. 65 §46

The deaths of Wu Lan and Lei Tong: The Biography of the First Sovereign in the Records states that Wu Lan, Lei Tong and others, who entered Wudu in the 23rd year of Jian'an (218), were all wiped out by Lord Cao's army. In the Romance, Lei Tong dies run through by Zhang He in the battle of Wakou Pass in Chapter 70, and Wu Lan dies run through by Cao Zhang's halberd in Chapter 72. Records, Shu 2 §37Romance, Ch. 70 §12–13Romance, Ch. 72 §24

Zhang Yu: The Biography of Zhou Qun in the Records also records Zhang Yu, who was versed in divination by signs, remonstrated against contesting Hanzhong and was later executed. Zhang Yu does not appear in the Romance. Records, Shu 12 §11 · 15Romance, Ch. 65 §46

Assessment: In his assessment Chen Shou said that Zhou Qun divined from the heavens with proven results, and Yang Xi's 'Encomia on the Supporting Ministers of Ji Han' said that the Colonel of the Forest of Scholars was versed in astronomy. The Romance says nothing of his talents or character. Records, Shu 12 §102Records, Shu 15 §48Romance, Ch. 65 §46

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Abilities

The Records score (Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms, main text) is the baseline. Each ability compares how the Romance redrew the same person, and the evidence from both sources explains the difference.

LEASTRINTPOLCHAVIRADPSCHDIPDIS
Records (solid) vs Romance (dashed)
  • LEA3131±0
  • STR3131±0
  • INT6040−20
  • POL4038−2
  • CHA4238−4
  • VIR4842−6
  • ADP5040−10
  • SCH6042−18
  • DIP4535−10
  • DIS3533−2
Records · Romance scores and difference (Romance − Records · left = lowered by the Romance · right = raised)

Abilities shaped by the Romance — where it differs from the Records Differences of 10 or more

IntelligenceR60N40Unverified −20

RSaid Hanzhong would be gained without its people and that a detached force would be lost, and was proven rightShu 12 §11Shu 12 §12

NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

ScholarshipR60N42Unverified −18

RDevoted himself to learning weather observation from his father and passed it on to his sonShu 12 §9Shu 12 §16

NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

AdaptabilityR50UnverifiedN40Unverified −10

RNo direct record — estimated from his official careerShu 12 §10

NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

DiplomacyR45N35Unverified −10

RAnswered the First Sovereign, who asked about contesting Hanzhong, that he must be on his guard and carefulShu 12 §11

NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

6 similar abilities — show evidence
  • LeadershipR31UnverifiedN31Unverified ±0

    RNo direct record — estimated from his career as a civil officialShu 12 §10

    NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

  • StrengthR31UnverifiedN31Unverified ±0

    RNo direct record — estimated from his career as a divinerShu 12 §10

    NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

  • PoliticsR40UnverifiedN38Unverified −2

    RNo direct record — estimated from his posts as Attendant Officer as Mentor-Friend and Colonel of the Forest of ScholarsShu 12 §10

    NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

  • CharismaR42UnverifiedN38Unverified −4

    RNo direct record — estimated from his recommendation as Flourishing TalentShu 12 §12

    NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

  • VirtueR48UnverifiedN42Unverified −6

    RNo direct record — estimated from his official careerShu 12 §10

    NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

  • DiscernmentR35UnverifiedN33Unverified −2

    RNo direct record — estimated from his official careerShu 12 §10

    NNo direct record — estimated from the list of those given office after the pacification of Yi ProvinceCh. 65 §46

Special — talents Records +25 · Romance +0

  • Divination & astronomy

    RMaster +25 Watched the changes in the weather from his tower, and much of what he said came trueShu 12 §10Shu 12 §11

Records Romance Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)

3KDEX scoring — the Records use the main text of Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms; the Romance uses the 120-chapter Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Click a source tag to open that passage in the reader.

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Allegiance history

  1. Shu · Records · Records vol. 42 「先主欲曹公爭漢中,問羣」