RGoverned seven commanderies and five provinces with authority and trust, stopped palace building, and judged a boundary suitWei 24 §71Wei 24 §62Wei 24 §65
NNo direct record — estimated as a general under Cao ZhenCh. 95 §1
| Occupation | ROfficial · Minister of Works NGeneral · Supreme General | Faction | Wei |
|---|---|---|---|
| Appears | RN | Biography in | Book of Wei |
| Born | R? Unverified | Native place | Zhuo Commandery Rongcheng County |
| Died | R250 Unverified | Place of death | |
| Existence | Historical | Mentions | R22 |
Sun Li, courtesy name Deda, was a native of Rongcheng County in Zhuo Commandery. After Cao Cao pacified You Province he was summoned to be Clerk for Military Planning under the Minister of Works; he went on to serve as Administrator of several commanderies and as Master of Writing, and when Emperor Ming (Cao Rui) was building palaces he remonstrated firmly and had the work stopped. He became Chief Clerk to the General-in-Chief Cao Shuang, but because he was upright and unbending he was sent out as Inspector of Yang Province, and at Quebei he held off Quan Cong of Wu. Records, Wei 24 §60–64
While Governor of Ji Province he opposed Cao Shuang over a boundary dispute between Qinghe and Pingyuan and was sentenced to five years' punishment, but within a year he was employed again. After Cao Shuang was executed he became Colonel-Director of Retainers, rose to Minister of Works and was enfeoffed as Marquis of Dali Precinct, and he died in the 2nd year of Jiaping (250). Records, Wei 24 §65 · 67–72Records, Wei 4 §31
Chen Shou, author of the Records, said in his assessment that he was 'firm and decisive, upright and stern'. In the Romance he first appears in Chapter 95 as a general sent to help Cao Zhen and appears in 7 of its 120 chapters, but his name is in no chapter title. In Chapter 98 he proposed a plan to set fire to supply carts, and Zhuge Liang turned it against him. Records, Wei 24 §81Romance, Ch. 95 §1Romance, Ch. 98 §6–7 · 14–15
Sun Li, courtesy name Deda, was a native of Rongcheng County in Zhuo Commandery. When Cao Cao pacified You Province he summoned him and made him Clerk for Military Planning under the Minister of Works. At the beginning of the disorders Sun Li had become separated from his mother, and when Ma Tai of the same commandery found her for him, he gave all his family's property to Ma Tai. Later Ma Tai was condemned to death for breaking the law; Sun Li secretly helped him slip out of prison, then said, 'Your servant has no right to flee', and went straight to the Registrar for Investigating Wrongdoing Wen Hui to give himself up. Wen Hui admired this and reported everything to Cao Cao, and both men had their death sentences reduced by one degree. Records, Wei 24 §60
When Sun Li and Lu Yu of Zhuo Commandery first entered the military headquarters, Cui Yan described Sun Li as 'open and clear-sighted, upright and fierce, firm, straightforward and able to decide', and said that he and Lu Yu both had the talent to be one of the Three Excellencies. Chen Shou later noted that Cui Lin, Sun Li and Lu Yu all reached the highest offices of state. Records, Wei 12 §16–17
He was later made Assistant of Hejian Commandery and was gradually promoted to Commandant of Xingyang. When several hundred bandits in the mountains of Lu held strong positions and preyed on the people, he was transferred to be Chancellor of Lu; Sun Li gave out the grain of his own salary, mobilized officials and commoners, offered rewards for bandits' heads, and took in those who surrendered and sent them back as spies, and peace was soon restored. He served as Administrator of Shanyang, Pingyuan, Pingchang and Langya. When he followed the Grand Marshal Cao Xiu against Wu at Jiashi, he advised that they should not advance deep into enemy territory, but Cao Xiu did not listen and was defeated. He was transferred to Administrator of Yangping and then entered the court as Master of Writing. Records, Wei 24 §61
Emperor Ming (Cao Rui) was building palaces at the time, but the seasons were out of balance and grain was scarce throughout the realm. When Sun Li remonstrated firmly, Emperor Ming issued an edict saying that he 'respectfully accepted the honest words' and ordered the conscripted laborers to be sent home quickly. But when Li Hui, who supervised the work, memorialized again asking to keep them one more month to finish what was under construction, Sun Li went straight to the work site and, without memorializing again, sent the people home in the name of the edict. Emperor Ming thought his resolve remarkable and did not reprimand him. Records, Wei 24 §62
When Emperor Ming was hunting at Mount Dashi and a tiger rushed at the imperial carriage, Sun Li threw down his whip, dismounted and was about to swing his sword at the tiger, but Emperor Ming ordered him by edict to remount. As he was dying, Emperor Ming made Cao Shuang General-in-Chief, saying that he should have a good assistant, and from his sickbed issued a testamentary edict appointing Sun Li Chief Clerk to the General-in-Chief with the additional post of Regular Mounted Attendant. Because Sun Li was upright and unbending, however, Cao Shuang found him inconvenient and sent him out as Inspector of Yang Province, with the additional title of General Who Calms the Waves and the rank of Marquis Within the Passes. Records, Wei 24 §63
When the great Wu general Quan Cong invaded with tens of thousands of men, the soldiers of Yang Province had gone home on leave and few remained. Sun Li personally led his guards to meet him at Quebei and fought from morning until evening, and more than half of his officers and men were killed or wounded. Sun Li braved the blades and advanced, and though his horse was wounded in several places he took up the drumsticks himself and beat the drum, fighting with all his strength, until the enemy withdrew. When an edict praised him and granted him seven hundred bolts of silk, Sun Li set up sacrifices and wept for those who had died in battle, and he gave all the silk to the families of the dead, keeping none for himself. Records, Wei 24 §64
He was summoned to be Privy Treasurer, went out as Inspector of Jing Province, and was transferred to Governor of Ji Province. The Grand Tutor Sima Yi told him that Qinghe and Pingyuan had been disputing their boundary for eight years, through two Inspectors, without a decision, and urged him to settle it clearly. Sun Li answered that old sites, tombs and the words of elders could hardly decide the matter, but that the map from the time the Exalted Ancestor (Emperor Ming) was first enfeoffed in Pingyuan was kept in the imperial archives, and with it the case could be judged from where they sat; Sima Yi said he would send the map down separately. Records, Wei 24 §65–66
When Sun Li arrived at his post and examined the map, the land clearly belonged to Pingyuan. But Cao Shuang believed Qinghe's side and sent down a document saying, 'The map cannot be used; weigh the differences between the two claims'. Sun Li submitted a memorial stating that the boundary was in fact the Wangweng River, but that Shu County was falsely claiming the Mingdu River as the boundary on the evidence of the Madan watch-post; saying that since he had failed to make them obey the edict he had no face to go on drawing a salary for nothing, he fastened his belt, put on his shoes, readied his carriage and waited to be dismissed. Cao Shuang was furious when he saw the memorial and impeached Sun Li for harboring resentment, and Sun Li was sentenced to five years' punishment. After a year at home, many people spoke up for him, and he was made Colonel of the City Gates. Records, Wei 24 §67–69
At this time the following of the Xiongnu king Liu Jing was strong and the Xianbei repeatedly raided the frontier, so Sun Li was made Inspector of Bing Province, with the additional title of General Who Displays Martial Might, and made Envoy Holding the Staff of Authority and General of the Household Protector of the Xiongnu. Before leaving he went to see Sima Yi, looking angry and saying nothing. When Sima Yi asked whether it was because Bing Province was too small or because the boundary matter had been mishandled, Sun Li replied that he cared nothing for office or past affairs; it was because the state was in danger and the realm in turmoil, and tears streamed down his face. Sima Yi said, 'Stop for now. Bear what cannot be borne.' Records, Wei 24 §70–71
After Cao Shuang was executed, Sun Li entered the court as Colonel-Director of Retainers. In all he governed seven commanderies and five provinces, and everywhere he went he had authority and the people's trust. On the gengzi day of the 12th month of the 1st year of Jiaping (249) he became Minister of Works and was enfeoffed as Marquis of Dali Precinct with a fief of one hundred households. Sun Li and Lu Yu came from the same commandery and the same generation but were not on good terms; it is said that each had his strengths and weaknesses, but that their fame and rank were roughly equal. He died in the 11th month of the 2nd year of Jiaping (250). He was posthumously named Marquis Jing, and his grandson Sun Yuan succeeded him. Records, Wei 24 §71–72Records, Wei 4 §28 · 30–31
In his assessment Chen Shou called Sun Li 'firm and decisive, upright and stern', and said that he, together with Han Ji, Cui Lin, Gao Rou and Wang Guan, was able to reach the rank of the Three Excellencies and the chief ministers of state. Records, Wei 24 §81
In Chapter 95 of the Romance, the ruler of Wei Cao Rui gave Xin Pi and Sun Li fifty thousand troops to help Cao Zhen, and Sima Yi told Zhang He that he had ordered Sun Li and Xin Pi to block the mouth of the Ji Valley road and, if the enemy came, to strike with surprise troops. In Chapter 97 Cao Zhen had Guo Huai and Sun Li hold the east and the west, and after Fei Yao was lost, Sun Li and Xin Pi sent up a memorial overnight reporting that Cao Zhen had lost troops and generals and that the situation was critical. Romance, Ch. 95 §1–2Romance, Ch. 97 §35 · 46
In Chapter 98 Sun Li proposed to go to Qishan disguised as a supply column, loading carts with dry firewood and thatch soaked in sulfur and saltpeter, and to set them on fire when the Shu troops came to seize them; Cao Zhen had him carry it out. A man of Wei in Zhuge Liang's camp said that when Sun Li had followed the ruler of Wei on a hunt at Mount Dashi, he dismounted and cut down with his sword a tiger that charged the imperial carriage, and that he had since been made Supreme General and was Cao Zhen's trusted confidant. Zhuge Liang saw through the plan and turned it against him. Romance, Ch. 98 §6–10
That night Ma Dai set fire to the carts from upwind, and Sun Li, thinking only that the Shu troops had lit a signal fire inside the Wei camp, drove his troops in to fall on them. But Ma Zhong and Zhang Ni surrounded them from behind and Ma Dai struck out from within, so the Wei army was badly defeated, and Sun Li led his wounded men through the smoke and flames and fled to Cao Zhen's camp. At the end of the same chapter, Cao Zhen fell ill over the death of Wang Shuang and returned to Luoyang, leaving Guo Huai, Sun Li and Zhang He in charge of the roads around Chang'an, and Guo Huai had Sun Li guard Yongcheng. Romance, Ch. 98 §13–15 · 17 · 25 · 45
In Chapter 99 Sima Yi sent Guo Huai and Sun Li by byroads to relieve Wudu and Yinping and to attack the Shu army from behind. On the way, when Guo Huai asked how Zhongda compared with Kongming, Sun Li answered, 'Kongming is far superior to Zhongda.' On hearing that the Shu troops had already broken both cities yet had drawn up their troops outside the walls, Sun Li said there must be a trick and urged withdrawal, but Zhuge Liang appeared on his four-wheeled carriage, and Wang Ping and Jiang Wei and Guan Xing and Zhang Bao attacked from front and rear, so the two abandoned their horses and fled by climbing the mountains. Sima Yi said it was not their fault and had them guard the two cities of Yong and Mei. Romance, Ch. 99 §1–8
In Chapter 101, when the great general Sun Li arrived with the men and horses of the commanderies of Yong and Liang Provinces, Sima Yi had him attack Jiange together with Guo Huai. In the Shu camp a report came in that Sun Li was leading two hundred thousand men of Yong and Liang to attack Jiange, and the soldiers were alarmed. In Chapter 102 Guo Huai and Sun Li set up camp at Beiyuan and, following Sima Yi's orders, lay in wait midway along the road; when Wei Yan and Ma Dai approached, Sun Li spotted them while scouting and at once abandoned the camp and fled, and Sima Yi and Guo Huai struck out from both sides. In Chapter 103 he and Guo Huai fought the Shu troops on the pontoon bridge over the Wei River. Romance, Ch. 101 §31 · 33Romance, Ch. 102 §11 · 15–16 · 18Romance, Ch. 103 §32
His opponents: In Chapters 95 to 103 of the Romance, Sun Li appears only as a general in Guanzhong who resisted Zhuge Liang's Shu army under Cao Zhen and Sima Yi. In the Records' biography of Sun Li, he followed Cao Xiu against Wu at Jiashi, and after serving as Administrator of Yangping and Master of Writing he fought Quan Cong of Wu at Quebei as Inspector of Yang Province. There is no record of him fighting the Shu army. Romance, Ch. 95 §1Romance, Ch. 98 §25Romance, Ch. 101 §31Records, Wei 24 §59–72
The tiger at Mount Dashi: In Chapter 98 of the Romance, Sun Li is said to have dismounted, drawn his sword and cut down the tiger, and to have been made Supreme General after that. In the Records, when Sun Li dismounted and was about to swing his sword at the tiger, Emperor Ming (Cao Rui) ordered him by edict to remount. There is no mention of his killing the tiger, nor of his becoming Supreme General because of it. Romance, Ch. 98 §9Records, Wei 24 §63
Fire on the supply carts: In Chapter 98 of the Romance, Sun Li proposed loading the carts with kindling, but Ma Dai turned the plan against him and he was badly defeated. The Records' biography of Sun Li does not contain this episode, and the record of this period in Zhuge Liang's biography is that Zhuge Liang went out through San Pass and besieged Chencang, but Cao Zhen held him off, and when his provisions ran out he withdrew, beheading Wang Shuang, who pursued him. Romance, Ch. 98 §6–7 · 14–15Records, Wei 24 §59–72Records, Shu 5 §35
Wudu and Yinping: In Chapter 99 of the Romance, Guo Huai and Sun Li went to relieve the two commanderies and were badly defeated in Zhuge Liang's ambush. In the Records' biography of Zhuge Liang, in the 7th year of Jianxing (229) Zhuge Liang sent Chen Shi to attack Wudu and Yinping, and Guo Huai, Inspector of Yong Province, led his forces to attack Chen Shi but withdrew when Zhuge Liang came out in person as far as Jianwei. Sun Li's name does not appear. Romance, Ch. 99 §4–7Records, Shu 5 §35
Beiyuan: In Chapter 102 of the Romance, Guo Huai and Sun Li set up camp together at Beiyuan. In the Records' biography of Guo Huai, in the 2nd year of Qinglong (234) Guo Huai, saying that Zhuge Liang would surely contest Beiyuan, occupied it first, and when the Shu army arrived before the trenches and ramparts were finished, he met and repelled it. Sun Li does not appear. Romance, Ch. 102 §11 · 18Records, Wei 26 §69
The quarrel with Cao Shuang: In the Romance Sun Li does not appear after Chapter 103, so his remonstrance against Emperor Ming's palace building, his appointment as Cao Shuang's Chief Clerk and his removal, his five-year sentence over the Qinghe and Pingyuan boundary dispute, and the tears he shed before Sima Yi on leaving for Bing Province are all absent. The Records' biography of Sun Li describes these events in detail. Romance, Ch. 103 §32Records, Wei 24 §62–63 · 67–71
Last years and death: The Romance does not mention Sun Li's death. In the Records, after Cao Shuang was executed he became Colonel-Director of Retainers and then rose to Minister of Works and was enfeoffed as Marquis of Dali Precinct; he died in the 2nd year of Jiaping (250) and received the posthumous name Marquis Jing. Romance, Ch. 103 §32Records, Wei 24 §71–72Records, Wei 4 §31
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RGoverned seven commanderies and five provinces with authority and trust, stopped palace building, and judged a boundary suitWei 24 §71Wei 24 §62Wei 24 §65
NNo direct record — estimated as a general under Cao ZhenCh. 95 §1
RAssessment: firm, upright and stern. Gave his property to his benefactor and the granted silk to the families of the fallenWei 24 §81Wei 24 §60Wei 24 §64
NNo direct record — estimated from his guarding the imperial carriageCh. 98 §9
RDrove off Quan Cong's tens of thousands at Quebei with a few guards and pacified the bandits of LuWei 24 §64Wei 24 §61
NHis supply-cart ambush was turned against him and he was badly defeated, and Wudu and Yinping were also lostCh. 98 §13Ch. 99 §6
RPersuaded Sima Yi to decide the case by the map, and argued with Sima YiWei 24 §65Wei 24 §70
NNo direct record — estimatedCh. 98 §5
RHad authority and trust wherever he went, and many spoke up for him after his punishmentWei 24 §71Wei 24 §69
NNo direct record — estimated from the description of him as Cao Zhen's confidantCh. 98 §9
RWarned Cao Xiu not to advance deep but was ignored and the army was defeated; settled the boundary by the mapWei 24 §61Wei 24 §66
NProposed the fire-cart plan, but Zhuge Liang saw through it at onceCh. 98 §6Ch. 98 §9
RNo direct record — estimated from memorials citing historical precedentsWei 24 §67
NNo direct record — estimatedCh. 95 §1
RWas sentenced to five years by Cao Shuang for his uprightness but revealed his true intent to Sima YiWei 24 §69Wei 24 §71
NMistook the fire for a signal and charged into encirclement; at Beiyuan withdrew as plannedCh. 98 §14Ch. 102 §18
RMoved to cut down a tiger with his sword and beat the drum while braving the bladesWei 24 §63Wei 24 §64
NCut down with his sword a tiger that charged the imperial carriage at Mount DashiCh. 98 §9
RNo direct record — estimated from his reputation as having the talent of a Three Excellencies officialWei 12 §16
NNo direct record — estimatedCh. 98 §5
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