Lady Hu 胡氏

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Lady Hu was the wife of Liu Yan (劉琰), General of Chariots and Cavalry of Shu. In the 1st month of the 12th year of Jianxing (234) she entered the palace to offer congratulations to the Empress Dowager, and the Empress Dowager specially kept her there, so that she came out only after a month. Because Lady Hu was beautiful, Liu Yan suspected that she had had an affair with the Later Sovereign, Liu Shan; he summoned his 'five hundred' (wubai) attendants to beat her, went so far as to strike her face with a shoe, and then cast her out. Records, Shu 10 §52 · 55

When Lady Hu accused him, laying out the matter in full, Liu Yan was imprisoned and was finally executed in the marketplace, and from then on the custom of the wives and mothers of high ministers entering the court to offer congratulations came to an end. In Chen Shou's main text Lady Hu appears only in this one passage of the Biography of Liu Yan, and her origins, later life and death are not recorded. Records, Shu 10 §55 · 51–55

The assessment at the end of the volume says only that Liu Yan brought misfortune upon himself and does not discuss Lady Hu. Of the 120 chapters of the Romance, she appears in Chapter 115 alone, as 'Lady Hu, the wife of the high minister Liu Yan,' and the episode is portrayed as happening at a time when the Later Sovereign was sunk in wine and women and neglected affairs of state. No chapter has her name in its title. Records, Shu 10 §74Romance, Ch. 115 §19–20

In the Records

According to the Biography of Liu Yan, Liu Yan, courtesy name Weishuo, was a man of Lu State. When Liu Bei was in Yu Province he summoned him as an Attendant Official, and because Liu Yan shared the imperial clan surname, had refinement and was good at conversation, treated him generously. When Liu Bei pacified Yi Province, Liu Yan became Administrator of Guling, and when the Later Sovereign, Liu Shan, ascended the throne he was enfeoffed as Marquis of a Chief District, his rank and position always coming next after Li Yan. Passing through the posts of Commandant of the Guards, Central Military Adviser and General of the Rear, he was promoted to General of Chariots and Cavalry. Records, Shu 10 §52

Liu Yan took no part in affairs of state; he merely commanded over a thousand troops and followed the Chancellor Zhuge Liang, offering oblique counsel. He was known for the extravagance of his carriages, clothing and food, and his several dozen maidservants were all skilled in song and music. In the 10th year of Jianxing (232), being on bad terms with the Front Military Adviser Wei Yan, he spoke wild and baseless words and was rebuked by Zhuge Liang, and Liu Yan sent Zhuge Liang a letter of apology saying that he suffered from an affliction of drunkenness. Zhuge Liang sent Liu Yan back to Chengdu with his office and rank unchanged, but Liu Yan lost heart and lived as if dazed. Records, Shu 10 §53–55

In the 1st month of the 12th year of Jianxing (234), Liu Yan's wife, Lady Hu, entered the palace to offer congratulations to the Empress Dowager, and the Empress Dowager specially kept Lady Hu there, so that she came out only after a month. Because Lady Hu was beautiful, Liu Yan suspected that she had had an affair with the Later Sovereign; he summoned his 'five hundred' (wubai) attendants to beat Lady Hu, went so far as to strike her face with a shoe, and then cast her out. Records, Shu 10 §55

Lady Hu accused Liu Yan, laying out the matter in full, and Liu Yan was convicted and imprisoned. The officials in charge deliberated that 'soldiers are not the ones to beat a wife, and a face is not a place to receive a shoe,' and Liu Yan was finally executed in the marketplace. From then on, the custom of the wives and mothers of high ministers entering the court to offer congratulations came to an end. Records, Shu 10 §55

In Chen Shou's main text this passage is the only place Lady Hu appears, and her origins, later life and death are not recorded. In his assessment at the end of the volume, Chen Shou said that Liu Yan, as a long-serving retainer, was honored and valued, but that the misfortune he invited and the blame he incurred all came from himself. Records, Shu 10 §51–55 · 74

In the Romance

In Chapter 115 of the Romance, while Jiang Wei surrounds and attacks Deng Ai, who has withdrawn to his camp at Mount Qi, the Later Sovereign, Liu Shan, in Chengdu trusts the words of the eunuch Huang Hao, sinks into wine and women and neglects the affairs of court. At that time Lady Hu, the wife of the high minister Liu Yan, is exceedingly beautiful; when she enters the palace to pay her respects to the Empress, the Empress keeps her in the palace, and she comes out only after a month. Romance, Ch. 115 §19

Suspecting that his wife has had an affair with the Later Sovereign, Liu Yan summons five hundred of his soldiers and lines them up before him, has his wife bound, and has the soldiers strike her face with shoes dozens of times. Lady Hu nearly dies before reviving. Hearing of this, the Later Sovereign is greatly enraged and has the officials in charge deliberate on Liu Yan's crime; when they declare that 'soldiers are not the ones to strike a wife, and a face is not a place to receive punishment, so he should be beheaded in the marketplace,' Liu Yan is at last beheaded. From this time on, titled ladies are not permitted to attend court. Romance, Ch. 115 §20

The Romance goes on to say that many officials at the time harbored suspicion and resentment, thinking the Later Sovereign dissolute, and that worthy men gradually withdrew while petty men advanced day by day. When the General of the Right Yan Yu, who had gained high rank by fawning on Huang Hao, seeks to replace Jiang Wei, the Later Sovereign gives an envoy an edict recalling Jiang Wei. After this the Romance does not mention Lady Hu again. Romance, Ch. 115 §21

Where the Romance differs

When it happened: Chapter 115 of the Romance sets the affair at the time when Jiang Wei is fighting Deng Ai at Mount Qi and the Later Sovereign, trusting Huang Hao's words, is sunk in wine and women. In the Records it happened in the 1st month of the 12th year of Jianxing (234), after Zhuge Liang had sent Liu Yan back to Chengdu. Romance, Ch. 115 §19Records, Shu 10 §54–55

Whom she met in the palace: In Chapter 115 of the Romance, Lady Hu enters the palace to pay her respects to the Empress, and the Empress keeps her for a month. In the Records, Lady Hu went in to offer congratulations to the Empress Dowager, and the Empress Dowager specially kept her. Romance, Ch. 115 §19Records, Shu 10 §55

The beating: In Chapter 115 of the Romance, Liu Yan lines up five hundred of his soldiers, has his wife bound, and has the soldiers strike her face with shoes dozens of times, so that Lady Hu nearly dies before reviving. In the Records, Liu Yan merely summoned his 'five hundred' (wubai) attendants to beat Lady Hu, went so far as to strike her face with a shoe, and then cast her out; nothing is said of five hundred soldiers or of her nearly dying. Romance, Ch. 115 §20Records, Shu 10 §55

Accusation and punishment: In Chapter 115 of the Romance, the Later Sovereign hears of it, is greatly enraged and has the officials in charge deliberate on Liu Yan's crime, and they declare that he should be beheaded in the marketplace. In the Records, Lady Hu accused Liu Yan, laying out the matter in full, and he was imprisoned; after the officials in charge deliberated, Liu Yan was finally executed in the marketplace. Nothing is said of the Later Sovereign's anger. Romance, Ch. 115 §20Records, Shu 10 §55

The prohibition that followed: In Chapter 115 of the Romance, from this time on titled ladies are not permitted to attend court. In the Records, from then on the custom of the wives and mothers of high ministers entering the court to offer congratulations came to an end. Romance, Ch. 115 §20Records, Shu 10 §55

How the Later Sovereign is described: Chapter 115 of the Romance says that the Later Sovereign was sunk in wine and women, and that many officials harbored suspicion and resentment, thinking him dissolute. The Biography of Liu Yan in the Records says only that Liu Yan suspected an affair between Lady Hu and the Later Sovereign, and says nothing of the Later Sovereign's conduct. Romance, Ch. 115 §19 · 21Records, Shu 10 §55

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Abilities

The Records score (Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms, main text) is the baseline. Each ability compares how the Romance redrew the same person, and the evidence from both sources explains the difference.

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Records (solid) vs Romance (dashed)
  • LEA3131±0
  • STR3131±0
  • INT4038−2
  • POL3131±0
  • CHA4545±0
  • VIR4545±0
  • ADP5038−12
  • SCH3333±0
  • DIP4533−12
  • DIS3331−2
Records · Romance scores and difference (Romance − Records · left = lowered by the Romance · right = raised)

Abilities shaped by the Romance — where it differs from the Records Differences of 10 or more

AdaptabilityR50N38Unverified −12

RWhen beaten, laid out the matter in full and accused Liu Yan, bringing about his punishmentShu 10 §55

NNearly died from the beating before reviving; no other deeds recordedCh. 115 §20

DiplomacyR45N33Unverified −12

RAccused Liu Yan, laying out the matter in fullShu 10 §55

NNo direct recordCh. 115 §20

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  • LeadershipR31UnverifiedN31Unverified ±0

    RNo direct record — estimated as the wife of a high ministerShu 10 §55

    NNo direct recordCh. 115 §19

  • StrengthR31UnverifiedN31Unverified ±0

    RNo direct recordShu 10 §55

    NNo direct recordCh. 115 §19

  • IntelligenceR40UnverifiedN38Unverified −2

    RNo direct recordShu 10 §55

    NNo direct recordCh. 115 §19

  • PoliticsR31UnverifiedN31Unverified ±0

    RNo direct recordShu 10 §55

    NNo direct recordCh. 115 §19

  • CharismaR45UnverifiedN45Unverified ±0

    RWas beautiful, and the Empress Dowager kept her in the palace for a monthShu 10 §55

    NWas exceedingly beautiful, and the Empress kept her in the palaceCh. 115 §19

  • VirtueR45UnverifiedN45Unverified ±0

    RWas suspected of an affair, but the source records only the suspicionShu 10 §55

    NWas suspected of an affair, but the source records only the suspicionCh. 115 §19Ch. 115 §20

  • ScholarshipR33UnverifiedN33Unverified ±0

    RNo direct recordShu 10 §55

    NNo direct recordCh. 115 §19

  • DiscernmentR33UnverifiedN31Unverified −2

    RNo direct recordShu 10 §55

    NNo direct recordCh. 115 §19

Records Romance Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)

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