Nie You 聶友

Records Wu Courtesy name 文悌 Wenti섭우문제聂友

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OccupationROfficial · Administrator of DanyangFactionWu
AppearsRBiography inBook of Wu
BornNative placeYuzhang Commandery
Cause of deathRIllness Unverified
ExistenceHistoricalMentionsR7

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Nie You, courtesy name Wenti, was a native of Yuzhang. He was a general of Wu and Administrator of Danyang; in the Records a short biography of him is appended at the end of the biography of Zhuge Ke in Records of Wu 19, and he also appears once in the Biography of the Lord of Wu. Records, Wu 19 §63–64Records, Wu 2 §98

In the 5th year of Chiwu (242), as a general, he led 30,000 troops together with the Colonel Lu Kai to attack Zhuya and Dan'er. While Administrator of Danyang he wrote to Zhuge Ke, with whom he had always been on good terms, to dissuade him from repeated campaigns, and after Zhuge Ke was put to death, Sun Jun, wary of him, sought to send him out as Administrator of Yulin, whereupon he fell ill and died of anxiety. Records, Wu 2 §98Records, Wu 19 §42–43 · 64

Chen Shou's main text does not record the year of his death or his age, and the assessment in Records of Wu 19 does not mention him. He does not appear in the Romance. Records, Wu 19 §64 · 108–109

In the Records

According to the Biography of the Lord of Wu, in the 7th month, in autumn, of the 5th year of Chiwu (242), the general Nie You and the Colonel Lu Kai were sent with 30,000 troops to subdue Zhuya and Dan'er. Records, Wu 2 §97–98

In the 10th month, in winter, of the 1st year of Jianxing (252), Zhuge Ke built a great dyke anew at Dongxing, and when he crushed the Wei army in the 12th month, he came to hold the enemy in contempt and wanted to send out troops again the following spring. The ministers remonstrated with him with one voice, but Zhuge Ke would not listen, and he wrote an essay setting out his intentions to everyone. Records, Wu 19 §28 · 30–31

Nie You, Administrator of Danyang, had always been on good terms with Zhuge Ke. He wrote to remonstrate that the late emperor had originally had a plan to block Dongguan but had not carried it out, and that now Zhuge Ke had fulfilled the former emperor's wish; he ought for the time being to halt the troops, nurture their keen spirit and watch for an opening before moving. He added that Zhuge Ke meant to ride this momentum and launch another great campaign, but that the time set by Heaven was not yet right, and that he was privately uneasy about it. Records, Wu 19 §42–43

Zhuge Ke wrote a reply after the essay he had composed, telling Nie You, 'Though your words have a natural logic, you do not see the greater destiny. If you study this essay carefully, you will be enlightened.' Then, against the wishes of all, he levied a host of 200,000 from the provinces and commanderies and set out. Records, Wu 19 §43

Zhuge Ke besieged Xincheng for several months but could not take it, and more than half his soldiers fell ill from drinking water in the summer heat. When Zhuge Ke withdrew his army and returned in the 8th month, in autumn, of the 2nd year of Jianxing (253), Nie You knew that he would come to ruin. He wrote to Teng Yin, 'When a man is strong and flourishing, he can uproot rivers and mountains, but once he weakens and shrinks, men's feelings change in a thousand ways; it is sad and lamentable to speak of.' Records, Wu 19 §44–45 · 64Records, Wu 3 §6

In the 10th month, in winter, of that year, Sun Jun, General of the Martial Guard, hid soldiers and killed Zhuge Ke in the palace hall. After Zhuge Ke was put to death, Sun Jun, wary of Nie You, sought to send him out as Administrator of Yulin, and Nie You fell ill and died of anxiety. At the end of the biography Chen Shou recorded that his courtesy name was Wenti and that he was a native of Yuzhang, but he did not record the year of his death or his age. Records, Wu 3 §6Records, Wu 19 §64

The assessment in Records of Wu 19 speaks only of Zhuge Ke, Teng Yin, Sun Jun, Sun Chen and Puyang Xing, and does not mention Nie You. Records, Wu 19 §108–109

Written by 3KDEX (not yet reviewed) — The tags at the end of each paragraph link to the exact passage in the Records volume or Romance chapter it is based on.

Abilities

This person does not appear in the Romance, so only the Records score (Chen Shou’s main text) is given.

LEASTRINTPOLCHAVIRADPSCHDIPDIS
Records
  • LEA50
  • STR40
  • INT68
  • POL42
  • CHA45
  • VIR58
  • ADP38
  • SCH45
  • DIP52
  • DIS42
Each ability out of 100

Evidence by ability

  • LeadershipR50

    RAs a general, led 30,000 men to subdue Zhuya and Dan'erWu 2 §98

  • StrengthR40Unverified

    RNo direct record — estimated from his title of generalWu 2 §98

  • IntelligenceR68

    RWarned that a new campaign was ill-timed and foresaw Zhuge Ke's downfallWu 19 §42Wu 19 §43Wu 19 §64

  • PoliticsR42Unverified

    RNo direct record — estimated from his title of Administrator of DanyangWu 19 §42

  • CharismaR45Unverified

    RNo direct recordWu 19 §42

  • VirtueR58

    RRemonstrated frankly with his close friend Zhuge KeWu 19 §42Wu 19 §43

  • AdaptabilityR38

    RDistrusted by Sun Jun and pushed out to a provincial post, he died of anxietyWu 19 §64

  • ScholarshipR45Unverified

    RNo direct record — estimated from his lettersWu 19 §64

  • DiplomacyR52

    RRemonstrated by letter but could not turn Zhuge Ke backWu 19 §42Wu 19 §43

  • DiscernmentR42Unverified

    RNo direct recordWu 19 §64

Records Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)

3KDEX scoring — the Records use the main text of Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms; the Romance uses the 120-chapter Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Click a source tag to open that passage in the reader.

Allegiance history

  1. Wu · Records · Records vol. 64 「孫峻忌友,欲以為鬱林太守」