Qin Mi 秦宓

RecordsRomance Shu Courtesy name 子敕 Zichi진밀자칙진복

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OccupationROfficial · Minister of Agriculture NOfficial · ScholarFactionShu
AppearsRNBiography inBook of Shu
BornR? UnverifiedNative placeGuanghan Commandery Mianzhu County
DiedR226 UnverifiedPlace of death
ExistenceHistoricalMentionsR19

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Qin Mi, courtesy name Zichi, was a man of Mianzhu County in Guanghan Commandery. From his youth he had talent and learning, but whenever the province or the commandery summoned him he pleaded illness and did not go; after Liu Bei pacified Yi Province he became Libationer Attendant Officer of Yi Province. Records, Shu 8 §35 · 49 · 54

When Liu Bei ascended the imperial throne and intended to attack Wu, Qin Mi advised that the timing of Heaven was not favourable and was thrown into prison; in the 2nd year of Jianxing (224) he was chosen by Zhuge Liang as Attendant Officer with Separate Carriage. He answered the questions of the Wu envoy Zhang Wen without hesitation and filled him with admiration, rose to Minister of Agriculture, and died in the 4th year of Jianxing (226). Records, Shu 8 §54–57

In his assessment, Chen Shou, who wrote the Records, said that at first he admired the loftiness of living in retirement but lacked the substance of one who only seems foolish, yet also wrote that he had ample ability to answer on his own and that his literary grace was grand and beautiful, so that he could be called a man of talent of his age. In the Romance he first appears in Chapter 65 and appears in 4 of its 120 chapters; his name is in the title of Chapter 86, 'Refuting Zhang Wen, Qin Mi Displays His Eloquence on Heaven'. Records, Shu 8 §59Romance, Ch. 65 §42Romance, Ch. 86 §18–21

In the Records

Qin Mi, courtesy name Zichi, was a man of Mianzhu County in Guanghan Commandery. From his youth he had talent and learning, and the province and the commandery summoned him, but each time he pleaded illness and did not go. He submitted a memorandum to the Governor Liu Yan recommending the Confucian scholar Ren An, saying that in selecting men and employing the able one is not bound by age, and that the recluse Ren An, for his benevolence, righteousness and upright way, was known far in every direction, so that if he were recommended the whole province would submit. Records, Shu 8 §35 · 37

In the time of Liu Zhang, Wang Shang (王商), a man of the same commandery, became Headquarters Attendant Officer and sent him a letter asking how long he could spend his whole life in poverty and hardship, and urging him to come once and meet the head of the province. In his reply Qin Mi cited the examples of Xu You, who washed both his ears though Emperor Yao treated him generously, and Zhuang Zhou, who held on to his fishing rod and did not look round when Chu invited him. He then said that he warmed his back in the sun among the fields, taking a body at ease as his joy and freedom from care as his blessing, so that this was precisely the time when he had achieved his aims. Records, Shu 8 §39–41

Later, when Wang Shang built a shrine for Yan Junping and Li Hong, Qin Mi wrote to him, finding it strange that he had left out Yang Xiong, who had devoted himself to writing and benefited the world. He also said that Shu originally had no scholars, but Wen Weng sent Sima Xiangru east to study the Seven Classics and come back to teach the officials and the people, so that the learning of Shu came to rival that of Qi and Lu; he urged that a shrine be built for Xiangru as well and that its inscription be settled without delay. Records, Shu 8 §41–43

Before this, when Li Quan wished to borrow the Strategies of the Warring States, Qin Mi replied that the book repeated the stratagems of Zhang Yi and Su Qin of the Warring States period, killing others to save oneself and ruining others to preserve oneself, which the classics abhor, and that a gentleman, though widely learned, does not look at what is contrary to propriety. When someone asked why, comparing himself to the ancient recluses Chao Fu and Xu You and the Four Whitebeards, he displayed his literary talent, he answered that a tiger is born with bright stripes and a phoenix is born with five colours by their inborn nature, and that if a gentleman prizes the virtue of letters, what harm is there in literary grace? Records, Shu 8 §44–48

Peng Yang of the same commandery was arrogant by nature and often looked down on others, but he respected Qin Mi alone and recommended him to the Administrator Xu Jing. Peng Yang said that the recluse Qin Mi of Mianzhu pillowed his head on stones, rinsed his mouth in flowing water and recited poems in a worn cotton robe, and that even the reclusion of the ancients could not surpass this. Records, Shu 10 §19–20

After Liu Bei pacified Yi Province, Xiahou Zuan, Administrator of Guanghan, invited Qin Mi to be his Libationer Teacher-Friend, concurrently Officer of the Five Bureaus, and called him 'Uncle' (zhongfu). When Qin Mi pleaded illness and lay at home, Xiahou Zuan brought his Officer of Merit Gu Pu and his Registrar, laid out food and held a feast at his house, but Qin Mi still lay in bed. When Xiahou Zuan asked how the scholars of this region compared with those of other provinces, Gu Pu cited Yan Junping's Zhigui, Yang Xiong's Taixuan and Fayan, and the text on the feng and shan sacrifices composed by Sima Xiangru. Records, Shu 8 §49–50

When Xiahou Zuan asked what Uncle thought, Qin Mi tapped his cheek with his tablet, asked him not to lend the title of Uncle to him, and set out the fundamental history of the region. A river flows out of Mount Wenfu in Shu and the fertile plain stretches for a thousand li; Yu was born at Shiniu, which is now Wenshan Commandery, and he opened the Yangtze and cleared the Yellow River, removing the harm to the people; and the mouth of the valley from which the Three Sovereigns came forth riding the earth-spirit carriage is the present Xie Valley. Then he asked in turn how this compared with the rest of the realm. Xiahou Zuan hesitated and could make no further reply. Records, Shu 8 §51–53

Yi Province summoned Qin Mi and made him Libationer Attendant Officer. After Liu Bei ascended the imperial throne and was about to attack Wu in the east, Qin Mi advised that the timing of Heaven would surely not be favourable, and for this he was thrown into prison; afterwards he was pardoned and released. In the 2nd year of Jianxing (224), when the Chancellor Zhuge Liang concurrently held the post of Governor of Yi Province and selected and welcomed men of long-standing virtue, he made Qin Mi Attendant Officer with Separate Carriage, and soon appointed him General of the Household of the Left and Colonel of the Changshui. Records, Shu 8 §54Records, Shu 12 §3

When Wu sent the envoy Zhang Wen on a courtesy visit, all the officials went to see him off; everyone had gathered but Qin Mi had not come, and Zhuge Liang sent messengers several times to hurry him. When Zhang Wen asked what kind of man he was, Zhuge Liang answered that he was a scholar of Yi Province. When Zhang Wen asked whether he studied, Qin Mi said that even children five chi tall all study, so why only he? When Zhang Wen asked in turn whether Heaven had a head, ears and feet, Qin Mi cited lines of the Book of Songs to show that it had them all, and said that its head was in the west. Asked Heaven's surname, he said it was Liu, because the Son of Heaven's surname was Liu; to the question whether the sun did not rise in the east, he answered that it rose in the east but set in the west. Records, Shu 8 §54–56

Because he answered every question at once, like an echo, Zhang Wen was filled with great respect and admiration. Qin Mi was transferred to Minister of Agriculture and died in the 4th year of Jianxing (226). Having once seen that the Genealogy of the Emperors said that the Five Emperors were all of the same clan, he argued the grounds on which this was not so, and he also discussed the theories of the August Ones, Emperors, Kings and Hegemons and of the rearing of dragons, very cogently. Qiao Zhou, when young, visited him many times to consult him and recorded his words in the Chunqiu Ranfou Lun. Records, Shu 8 §57

In his assessment, Chen Shou wrote that Qin Mi at first admired the loftiness of living in retirement but lacked the substance of one who only seems foolish, yet his ability to answer on his own was ample and his literary grace was grand and beautiful, so that he could be called a man of talent of his age. Records, Shu 8 §59

In the Romance

In Chapter 65 of the Romance, when Jian Yong, the adviser sent by Liu Bei, comes below the city wall and calls for the gate to be opened, Liu Zhang lets him in. When Jian Yong sits in his carriage glancing about arrogantly, Qin Mi draws his sword and rebukes him, asking how a petty fellow who has got his way dares to slight the men of our land of Shu. Jian Yong, flustered, gets down from the carriage to greet him and laughs, asking not to be blamed for failing to recognize a worthy elder brother. In the same chapter, Qin Mi's name is among the more than sixty surrendered civil and military officials whom Liu Bei promotes on taking the post of Governor of Yi Province. Romance, Ch. 65 §42 · 46

In Chapter 80, Qin Mi, Attendant Gentleman, is among the civil and military officials who come in when Zhuge Liang strikes the screen and ask Liu Bei, King of Hanzhong, to choose a day to perform the great ceremony. Romance, Ch. 80 §37

In Chapter 81, when Liu Bei puts his army in order and is about to set out to attack Wu, the scholar Qin Mi submits that to cast aside the person of the ruler of ten thousand chariots and pursue a small point of honour is something the ancients did not do, and he lies prostrate on the ground and will not rise. Liu Bei, greatly angered, orders him dragged out and beheaded, but Qin Mi, without the slightest change of expression, laughs and says that he will die without regret, but only grieves that the newly founded enterprise will be overturned once again. When the officials all beg for his pardon, Liu Bei says he will deal with him after returning from his revenge and has him imprisoned for the time being. Romance, Ch. 81 §10–11

Zhuge Liang, hearing of this, at once submits a memorial saying that the crime of moving the Han cauldrons originated with Cao Cao and the fault of transferring the Liu throne did not lie with Sun Quan, that if Wei were destroyed Wu would submit of itself, and asks him to accept Qin Mi's words, true as metal and stone. Liu Bei throws the memorial on the ground and says that no one is to remonstrate again. Romance, Ch. 81 §11–12

In Chapter 86, when the Wu envoy Zhang Wen comes to Shu with Deng Zhi to return the courtesy and is about to go back, Liu Shan holds a banquet at the post pavilion south of the city and has the officials see him off. Qin Mi comes in drunk, makes a long bow arrogantly and takes his seat, and Zhuge Liang introduces him as a scholar of Yi Province. When Zhang Wen laughs and asks whether he has learned anything, Qin Mi says that in Shu even little children three chi tall go to study, let alone himself, and that from astronomy above to geography below there is nothing among the Three Teachings, the Nine Schools and the Hundred Schools of thought that he has not mastered. Romance, Ch. 86 §16 · 18–19

When Zhang Wen asks in turn whether Heaven has a head, ears, feet and a surname, and whether the sun rises in the east, Qin Mi answers as fluently as flowing water, citing lines of the Book of Songs and the surname of the Son of Heaven, and everyone at the gathering is astonished. Qin Mi then cites the story of Gonggong butting Mount Buzhou so that Heaven tilted to the northwest, and asks in return why, if what was light and clear rose to become Heaven, it should tilt to the northwest, and what lies beyond it. Zhang Wen cannot reply, leaves his seat and apologizes, saying he did not know Shu produced so many outstanding men, and Zhuge Liang, fearing Zhang Wen will be ashamed, smooths things over with kind words, saying that the questioning over wine was merely banter. Romance, Ch. 86 §20–23

Where the Romance differs

Rebuking Jian Yong: In Chapter 65 of the Romance, Qin Mi draws his sword and rebukes Jian Yong when Jian Yong, having entered the city, behaves arrogantly. The Biography of Jian Yong in the Records says only that when Liu Bei besieged Chengdu he sent Jian Yong to persuade Liu Zhang, and Liu Zhang came out in the same carriage as Jian Yong and surrendered; this episode is not in Qin Mi's biography either. Romance, Ch. 65 §42Records, Shu 8 §28 · 34–57

Around the pacification of Yi Province: In Chapter 65 of the Romance, Qin Mi is one of the more than sixty surrendered civil and military officials whom Liu Bei promotes after Liu Zhang's surrender. In the Records, under Liu Zhang Qin Mi did not take office despite the urging of the Headquarters Attendant Officer Wang Shang, and even after Liu Bei pacified Yi Province he pleaded illness and lay at home when summoned by Xiahou Zuan, Administrator of Guanghan. Romance, Ch. 65 §46Records, Shu 8 §39–41 · 49

Officials who urged the accession: In Chapter 80 of the Romance, Qin Mi, Attendant Gentleman, is among the officials who ask the King of Hanzhong to perform the great ceremony. Qin Mi is not on the list of officials in the Biography of the First Sovereign in the Records who submitted a memorial citing auspicious omens. Romance, Ch. 80 §37Records, Shu 2 §55

Remonstrance against the campaign against Wu: In Chapter 81 of the Romance, Qin Mi remonstrates that the ruler of ten thousand chariots should not pursue a small point of honour, is nearly beheaded, is imprisoned after the officials beg for his pardon, and Zhuge Liang submits a memorial to save him. The Records says only that Qin Mi advised that the timing of Heaven would surely not be favourable, was thrown into prison and was afterwards pardoned and released; there is no order to behead him and no memorial from Zhuge Liang. Romance, Ch. 81 §10–12Records, Shu 8 §54

The meeting with Zhang Wen: In Chapter 86 of the Romance, Qin Mi comes into the banquet seeing off Zhang Wen drunk, bows arrogantly and takes his seat. The Records says that when all the officials had gathered Qin Mi had not come, and Zhuge Liang sent messengers several times to hurry him; there is no mention of his being drunk. Romance, Ch. 86 §18Records, Shu 8 §54

The question whether he studied: In Chapter 86 of the Romance, Qin Mi says that in Shu even little children three chi tall study, and that there is nothing in astronomy, geography or the Hundred Schools that he has not mastered. The Qin Mi of the Records merely answers that even children five chi tall all study, so why only he? Romance, Ch. 86 §19Records, Shu 8 §55

Counter-question and apology: In Chapter 86 of the Romance, Qin Mi questions Zhang Wen in return with the story of Gonggong and Mount Buzhou, Zhang Wen, unable to reply, leaves his seat and apologizes, and Zhuge Liang smooths things over by calling it banter over wine. The Records has neither Qin Mi's counter-question nor Zhang Wen's apology, and states that Zhang Wen was filled with great respect and admiration. Romance, Ch. 86 §21–23Records, Shu 8 §56–57

Offices and death: The Romance calls Qin Mi only Attendant Gentleman and scholar, and does not depict his death. In the Records, after serving as Libationer Attendant Officer and Attendant Officer with Separate Carriage, he was appointed General of the Household of the Left and Colonel of the Changshui, was transferred to Minister of Agriculture, and died in the 4th year of Jianxing (226). Romance, Ch. 80 §37Romance, Ch. 81 §10Romance, Ch. 86 §18Records, Shu 8 §54 · 57

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Abilities

The Records score (Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms, main text) is the baseline. Each ability compares how the Romance redrew the same person, and the evidence from both sources explains the difference.

LEASTRINTPOLCHAVIRADPSCHDIPDIS
Records (solid) vs Romance (dashed)
  • LEA3131±0
  • STR3136+5
  • INT5862+4
  • POL4538−7
  • CHA5245−7
  • VIR7682+6
  • ADP5038−12
  • SCH8880−8
  • DIP8590+5
  • DIS5535−20
Records · Romance scores and difference (Romance − Records · left = lowered by the Romance · right = raised)

Abilities shaped by the Romance — where it differs from the Records Differences of 10 or more

DiscernmentR55N35Unverified −20

RWrote to Liu Yan recommending the recluse Ren AnShu 8 §35Shu 8 §37

NNo direct record — estimated from his roleCh. 80 §37

AdaptabilityR50N38 −12

RDeclined many summonses on grounds of illness, and was imprisoned for remonstrating against the eastern campaign and then releasedShu 8 §49Shu 8 §54

NDid not back down before the angry First Sovereign and was imprisonedCh. 81 §11

8 similar abilities — show evidence
  • LeadershipR31UnverifiedN31Unverified ±0

    RNo direct record — estimated as a civil official who was a Colonel of the Changshui but was called a scholarShu 8 §54

    NNo direct record — estimated from his post as Attendant GentlemanCh. 80 §37

  • StrengthR31UnverifiedN36Unverified +5

    RNo direct record — estimated from his role as a civil officialShu 8 §54

    NNo direct record — only the record of drawing his sword to rebuke Jian YongCh. 65 §42

  • IntelligenceR58N62 +4

    RAdvised that the timing of Heaven was not favourable for the First Sovereign's campaign against WuShu 8 §54

    NRemonstrated that the eastern campaign would overturn the newly founded enterpriseCh. 81 §10Ch. 81 §11

  • PoliticsR45UnverifiedN38Unverified −7

    RNo direct record — estimated from his record as Attendant Officer with Separate Carriage and Minister of AgricultureShu 8 §57

    NNo direct record — estimated from the list of promoted officialsCh. 65 §46

  • CharismaR52N45Unverified −7

    REven the arrogant Peng Yang respected him alone and recommended him to the AdministratorShu 10 §19Shu 10 §20

    NNo direct record — estimated from the record of all the officials begging for his pardonCh. 81 §11

  • VirtueR76N82 +6

    RDeclined office and kept to reclusion, and was imprisoned for remonstratingShu 8 §39Shu 8 §54

    NDid not change expression even when ordered beheaded and did not bend in his remonstranceCh. 81 §10Ch. 81 §11

  • ScholarshipR88N80 −8

    RRefuted the Genealogy of the Emperors' claim that the Five Emperors were one clan; assessment: a talent of his age with grand literary graceShu 8 §57Shu 8 §59

    NClaimed mastery of astronomy, geography and the Hundred Schools, and answered fluently from the classicsCh. 86 §19Ch. 86 §21

  • DiplomacyR85N90 +5

    RAnswered Zhang Wen's questions like an echo and won his admiration; assessment: ample ability to answer on his ownShu 8 §53Shu 8 §57Shu 8 §59

    NAnswered Zhang Wen's questions about Heaven like flowing water, astonishing the gathering and leaving him speechlessCh. 86 §19Ch. 86 §21Ch. 65 §42

Records Romance Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)

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Romance chapters (4)

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Allegiance history

  1. Shu · Records · Records vol. 38 「丞相亮領益州牧,選宓迎為別駕」