Xie Yuan 謝淵
| Occupation | RGeneral · General Who Establishes Martial Might | Faction | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Appears | R | Biography in | |
| Existence | Historical | Mentions | R3 |
Profile
Xie Yuan is a man who appears once in the Biography of Lu Xun in Records of Wu 13 of the Records. He has no biography of his own in the Records and is recorded as one who, together with Xie Hong and others, each presented proposals seeking to promote profit and change the established system. The matter was referred to Lu Xun for deliberation, and Lu Xun, saying that the state takes the people as its foundation, proposed that they bring peace and relief to the people for a few years and take the matter up again after the state's finances had become somewhat more ample. Records, Wu 13 §50–51
Chen Shou's main text does not record his courtesy name, origins, offices or the dates of his birth and death, nor does it state what his proposals contained or whether they were adopted. He does not appear in the assessment of Records of Wu 13 either. He does not appear in the Romance. Records, Wu 13 §50–52 · 91
In the Records
The Biography of Lu Xun, after recording how the General of the Household Zhou Zhi, despite Lu Xun's opposition, recruited soldiers in Poyang and was killed by Wu Ju and others among the people of the commandery, and how Lü Yi, Inspector of Documents of the Palace Secretariat, secretly wielded power and was executed by Sun Quan, records that at this time Xie Yuan, Xie Hong and others each presented proposals seeking to promote profit and change the established system. The matter was referred to Lu Xun for deliberation. Records, Wu 13 §48–50
Lu Xun submitted his opinion, saying that the state takes the people as its foundation, so its strength comes from the people's labor and its wealth comes from the people. There had never yet been a case of the people being prosperous while the state was weak, or the people being impoverished while the state was strong, so one who governs a state is in good order if he wins the people and falls into disorder if he loses them. Saying that it is hard to make the people exert all their strength to achieve results when they receive no benefit, he cited the Book of Songs, 'He suits the people, he suits men; he receives blessings from Heaven', and asked that sacred grace be extended to bring peace and relief to the people, and that the matter be taken up again after the state's finances had become somewhat more ample within a few years. Records, Wu 13 §50–51
This single line is the only place in Chen Shou's main text where Xie Yuan appears. What his proposals contained and whether they were adopted, his courtesy name, origins, offices and death are not recorded. In his assessment in Records of Wu 13, Chen Shou discussed only Lu Xun and Lu Kang and did not deal with Xie Yuan. Records, Wu 13 §50–52 · 91
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Abilities
This person does not appear in the Romance, so only the Records score (Chen Shou’s main text) is given.
- LEA31
- STR31
- INT45
- POL50
- CHA38
- VIR40
- ADP40
- SCH42
- DIP40
- DIS35
Evidence by ability
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
RPresented proposals to promote profit and change the system, but Lu Xun advised putting them off for some yearsWu 13 §50
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
RNo direct record — estimated from the record of him as an official who presented proposalsWu 13 §50
Records Unverified No direct record; scored from their actions (evidence grade C)
3KDEX scoring — the Records use the main text of Chen Shou’s Records of the Three Kingdoms; the Romance uses the 120-chapter Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Click a source tag to open that passage in the reader.